MayDay

Congrats Laura Johnston, you'll be remembered for this sensationalist tripe for the rest of your career.

Wow, I'm just loving this week. Okay folks, take it to cleveland.com, because that's how the back-and-forth is starting to sound. This thread is locked until further notice.

^Alliance was originally four different municipalities (rumor has it *that's* how it got the name). That might explain its relatively spread out setting.

Absolutely not.

From cleveland.com Teen accused in fatal downtown Cleveland shooting has long juvenile record Posted by mtobin February 25, 2009 12:15PM CLEVELAND -- The Cleveland teen accused to fatally shooting a man near East 12th Street early Sunday morning has a long juvenile record with arrests dating to when he was 11 years old. More at cleveland.com: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/02/teen_accused_in_fatal_shooting.html

A start, but far from enough, imho.

Psst - you're not thinking of the right sense ;-)

^I have to admit - the same announcements on the downtown trolleys are right in line with those and it's absolute overkill. I know I know, ADA compliance, yadda yadda but it's the audio equivalent of the "Elaine Dance" from Seinfeld:

^MU's a pretty small school with 2200ish undergrads, and a little over half live on-campus in a 8-square mile city of 24K. Also, the auto-centric commercial activity is located mostly south and west of the college (the downtown area is north and east) so there's not much spin-off activity. As evanf811 said, if the college expands in downtown's direction that might help.

^That's not unlike (except on a MUCH MUCH smaller scale) the people who live in Midtown/Times Square in Manhattan who get sick of the crowds and eventually head to a fringe neighborhood on the island. They still have access to those amenities without the hassles of being right on top of them.

"The recession has dampened residential real estate activity in Cleveland dramatically." Yeah. Just Cleveland. Only in Cleveland. Certainly nowhere else BUT Cleveland!!!

The only person who even remotely suggested that was MTS (and math). I think you're taking this whole discussion waaaay too seriously.

Folks... the topic... it's neither Jerusalem, M-16s, Batman, Venezuela, or whatever raving lunatic ideas you might come up with. Want to go off-topic? The next perp gets a week off - you want to talk crime? How about the fact that grown adults can't grasp the concept of "think before you post"

That hasn't been a Sears since the mid-70s I think.

^I don't see anything wrong with people lingering if they're spending money. Pfft, I *wish* people would linger to the point of buying into the neighborhood! :-)

As Avogadro said - in no way do I begrudge the "tourists"* solely based on their locale. For a brief stint I was one but it was trips to places like Miracles, Hi and Dry, Lola (now Lolita) , etc. that helped me decide to move from Hudson to Tremont when I first moved to Cleveland proper years ago. It's maintained that same great vibe and that's why I chose to live here now. I don't care if they drive in from Toledo, I love it that people from wherever are dropping cash in my 'hood, and that my 'hood has places that make it a destination for that. I just prefer to avoid noisy crowds if I'm trying to unwind on a weekend evening and usually weekend evenings are teeming with the tourist trade. I'm no different from people who live in other "destination" areas - the influx of money and foot traffic is great, but for those of us here day-to-day, we'd rather enjoy our places on "off" days. I love that people are checking out the neighborhood and I love that my usual spots are making bank on weekends - I'd simply prefer to go when things are less noisy/crazy, that's all - and my usual spots appreciate the business on their "off" days. However, as Avogadro said - there *are* some - the "WOOOOOO!!!ers" who truly fit the "tourist" label's most derogatory connotations - I prefer to avoid those types no matter what. *Btw, I think you guys are missing my sense of humor if you're taking that remark too seriously.

"Simply removing". Care to explain how that would be simply carried out?

^The (agreeably) cute brick house was an absolute wreck - I was inside it with a few folks in the construction/restoration business. It's unfortunate, and sure it would have been nice if they could have done something with it but I'm not about to crucify someone for demolishing an unsalvageable heap. As for the tourists, they mostly keep north of 490 (there's more to Tremont than Literary @ Professor) and it's only if you're right on top of the hotspots that they're a nuisance. Besides, I'm glad they spend their money in the neighborhood - I just let them have the weekend nights, and I enjoy the much more tame days and weeknights :-)

^Actually, CMHA changed their tenant laws to allow "grandchildren" and other "charges" to occupy senior units with their senior relatives. It's had a rather detrimental effect on properties that were exclusively reserved for the elderly.

I'd be okay if they just bulldozed Perk Park, temp-fenced it off and let it sit idle until they can actually begin work on it.

I wouldn't lose sleep over these but they're interesting enough for a quick photo opp, I suppose: All Northeast Ohio, mostly village-sized places: In Columbiana County: Hanoverton (interesting historic district) http://www.historicbyway.com/Hanoverton.htm Leetonia (nice residential stock along Walnut Street and Columbia/Rt. 344) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leetonia,_Ohio Minerva (small downtown) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minerva,_Ohio In Mahoning County: Sebring (nice residential stock on Ohio Avenue, east of their small "downtown) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebring,_OH

It definitely depends on what time you go - Friday nights (I avoid most Tremont spots at that time anyway - too many "tourists" ;-) ), or if there's a *big* sports event on TV might bring in that kind of crowd but during lunch and early dinner I think it's pretty tame. Even so, you can always avoid the boisterous folks by going out to the enclosed patio. And for god's sake - how bad can it be if *I* feel comfortable there?!?

According to a lot of reports, the fight began either in or outside of Scorchers but the gunfire happened over in Perk Park.

I don't think it's a "hotel bar" per se, more like a sports bar that happens to be in a hotel - the Embassy Suites has its own bar (on the 5th floor I believe).