MayDay

Oh good lord, heteros quoting Bette?!? I'm sure there are rules against such a thing!

Kent is my alma mater. It has some incredible programs, some of those being ranked in the top ten nationally in their fields. I spent several wonderful years there and am a better person for it. But even I have to admit that compared to a lot of campuses - as Bette Davis once said, "whatta dump!".

Operative word - trashy. Must I explain everything? :roll:

"Her friend, Christine Coutris of Rocky River, chimed in. “Yeah, we came all the way over from the West Side. We’re not country bumpkins, no matter what these East Siders think!” No dear, you're just trashy nouveau riche.

I'm happy to say they've owned up to it and added a tagline :)

Well it's absolutely an important part of our history and I don't think anyone would argue that. However, it's the history behind it that's much more impressive than the actual structure, imho. The same can be said for many historic sites - they'e not much to look at, but happen to have historic importance. I wouldn't ever suggest that it doesn't belong on Euclid, or that it has no worth but it's not like people gawk at the Dunham in the same way they gawk at say, the Old Arcade.

Oh believe me, I let people know. Nicely at first, because it's a honest mistake and most people own up to it right away. If they don't - there's h#ll to pay :evil: The problem I have is that you would NOT believe 1. how many people I've had to tell, and 2. the level of education/skills that the offending parties have. I mean, it should NOT be a revelation to learn that photos on the internet are no more free than photos you'd see in a gallery.

What a wonderful concept! However, it's the third time this week that I've seen an image of mine used without permission. Sigh... and people wonder why I have all those warnings about copyrights on my site. :roll:

Hi folks, cle2032 had a great idea for a get-together for those of us who will be in Cleveland during the holidays. Of course, the question is - who is interested and what dates/times will work? I think maybe a central location (easily accessed by transit in December) will be ideal, maybe Old Angle or GLBC? If you think you'll be in the area and are interested, let me know what days might work. December 23rd falls on a Saturday, so maybe that would be an option? Thanks!

That's nice to have that approach to balance out the larger foundations. Both are great and vital, but some of the requirements and restrictions of the established foundations make things difficult for individuals who simply do things as a "labor of love".

Uncle Rando, if what I said constitutes a cheap shot, you are one extremely sensitive individual. Believe me, I don't give out subtle cheap shots and I haven't to this point. By the way, developing a thick skin to criticism is another thing that's learned by building a career, and it will be one of your most valued assets ;-) No one gave you any disrespect - we may have tried to explain that you have a less-than-realistic concept of how developing a career works. We may have expressed disagreement to your claim that creative people have little hope in Ohio. But no one here has made any kind of personal insults or taken cheap shots at you. Hell, no one has suggested that you're wrong and that we DON'T need serious change in our State so why you're taking offense is beyond me. I simply get a chuckle any time someone suggests that creative (and graphic design is about as artsy creative as it gets) careers can't be had here. In fact, I have quite a few anecdotes about other designers my age who have gone to places like NYC, Chicago, Portland, etc. (all considered greener pastures by many) and they're either moving back or going into a field that they don't like just so they can pay their bills. I'm the only one of us who has thus far stayed in the field, obtaining progressively more rewarding positions over the past 13 years. So when someone comes along with a claim that the creative class jobs aren't here, I take exception and I explain why. How that becomes an out-of-context cheap shot at you is something I don't understand.

Now that's a hoot!

^You and me both - I'm in the graphic design field - my kind aren't supposed to be here! :lol:

"I guess all that I am saying is that...why should I settle for a job in Ohio that may be less rewarding for me, when I can go elsewhere and get a MUCH better job?" Riiiight, those MUCH better jobs for newly-grads with two years of experience just magically appear once you cross the border. Let us know how that works for you.

"The only problem with it, so far, is that none of the Ohio posters are interested in helping the ex-pats get back." Unless your urbanohio.com forum is in BizarroWorld, that's complete and utter horsesh!t. Several people have already posted leads - just because the thread hasn't replaced monster.com as the leading help wanted resource, it doesn't mean people aren't interested in helping.

"However, is it wrong of me to have high expectations and want to have a good job out of college." Of course not - I never said ambition wasn't a good thing. "I may have to 'pay my dues', but do I have to do tasks that are below my skill level in order to accomplish that. Why must I sit in an office and write zoning code for 5 years or make maps, when I can do MUCH more than that at a high level." You nailed it for me. What I've bolded is EXACTLY what I'm talking about when I discuss an unwillingness to work your way up. Yes, the reason you do those menial tasks for a few years is so you gain experience in your field. Sometimes it accomplishes nothing beyond adding another month of experience to your resume - but sometimes it helps you perfect your craft. That's what we call experience - the more experience you have, the less menial work you need to do in order to prove yourself. When an opportunity to move up presents itself, you take it and repeat the process. Do you really think I loved doing ads for a weekly newspaper for $7.50 an hour + benefits as my first job? Hardly - but it gave me experience outside of academia* and a few pieces for my portfolio which I parlayed into a better paying and more rewarding job somewhere else. Most people your age who I've dealt with (again - just my personal experience) want the level of job that I have without having to spend the thirteen years of career-building to get there. If they can do it, more power to them but that's not a realistic approach, imho. *In my field, nothing kills me more than dealing with a newly-grad who can't grasp why their whiz-bang ultra-funky design that would have given them an "A" simply won't fly with corporate types, or why they can't grasp simple production issues. Both are signs of inexperience, and I'm sure every field has similar anecdotes.

This is only my personal observation - in my experience, children of baby-boomers in the suburbs (particularly those considered Generation Y) have a seriously difficult time detaching from the comforts of their cul-de-sac lifestyle. They also have a hard time understanding that 1. not everyone lives the way their parents do, and 2. they can't afford their parents lifestyle if they're just starting out. Thus, I've seen a lot of them move back in with their parents. Again, just an observation. I've also seen just-graduated folks turn down a respectable entry-level job because they didn't want to work their way up, and go right back to school to get their masters (and more debt).

"PIN number!" Personal Identification Number number? :wtf: Sorry - pet peeve from the banking days (along with "ATM machine")

Damn you all for making that song go through my head!

"I want to get a good job once I graduate, and be able to do creative things, then Cincinnati/Ohio/Midwest are not the places for me." Cincy? Maybe. Ohio? I suppose I could see that, though as a graphic designer (definitely a creative field) I've found work for the past 13 years. Midwest? Umm, is Chicago just not up to it? As for finding a job that gives you that creative plug - why not do something on your own on the side? As someone who also needs a creative outlet to stay sane, I can tell you that most jobs you'll find won't give you that. You need to develop something on your own that you can incorporate into your life. I've noticed something perplexing about some members of the younger generation. There's this sense that graduating automatically means getting a good job, and not only that - it's a job that's completely fulfilling. There's no concept of "paying your dues" in an entry-level job in your respective field. There's no concept of working your way up in your career to a position that's more desirable. Why is that?

Mind you, I would never do this but I am always so, so SO tempted to camp it up and say "Sorry honey, I only carry $100s and American Express Platinum!" :-D

""Instead of trying to support an industrial base that's going to erode no matter what you do, transfer that state support into creating intellectual property," Smith said." Bingo!

^I'm the same way; and I also correct anyone who mistakes my 'hood for Lakewood. It's "city OF..." thankyouverymuch!

^Oh no - he says that to EVERYBODY who walks by. I usually go to lunch by myself and my first encounter with him was on the southwest quadrant. The first time, I thought "okay, he's just talking to himself" because there was NOBODY around. The next time, I got the same thing - "Hiiii cutieeee!!! You're looking sooo pretty!!!" - and again - no one was around :-o

I was wondering what was up with the purple light - now I know!