cyclovert

thanks!

i would love to see amtrak going into our union station. but how would the amtrak trains get into tower city? if i had to guess it would make sense to have the upstate trains switch in euclid to the (former nickel plate?) tracks that eventually become the red line. but where would the pennsylvania trains connect? and then how would they get back onto their route on the west? also, i've never seen this, but is the waterfront line ever coordinated with amtrak service? i've always gotten into cleveland around 3am and nothing is awake. but seems like if the NCH was ever really used as a train station the waterfront line would be a fantastic shuttle between tower city and NCH... so i guess this is also a question of whether or not amtrak will ever give cleveland daytime service too!

wow; corridors 1, 6 and 7 would be so amazing and seem so long overdue... didn't some of these routes exist as passenger service at one time or another? i think it'd be fantastic if NCH was the train station opening into the mall. there was some kind of contest a while ago for trains station designs in front of the mall and every one was just amazing. i'll try to find pictures...

it's only been 60 years. i think it can still happen.

so i guess this is out of the question...

i have my own fantasies of a subway and rails and magic for cleveland, but are there any likely-to-be-created proposals to open maybe a second or third 'downtown' station? perhaps a euclid/ E 9th and E18th station near CSU and one near tri-c. there is such a huge dead zone between E 34th and tower city and the chance to connect tri-c and CSU campuses would be so nifty...

looks like chester to me.

i'm nominating KJP for mayor of cleveland. we'll get your plan built.

maybe they could fill the rapid trench with the goo that they rake out of the river. then the tracks would be level with humanity.

so i looked through these pages again and i found what look like three different versions; one was clearly a freeway, one was a version invented by KJP (i liked it), and the last just looked like chester ave. i'm gonna guess, after meeting such resistance here, that chester ave. part 2 is the version they're going with. is there a way to campaign to have roads removed? we need some billionaire lobbyist on our side. what happened to all those 19th century railroad tycoons? also, i just heard a whole lot of money is going to the EPA to cleanup american's sacred brownfields. but i'm guessing this money will mostly go to places like atlanta... but maybe some more bucks for a cleanup here?

agree about the car business. so this is really supposed to be an interstate and not a street? bummer...

so you think that what, a skyscraper will appear from this rubble? there is so little demand for this neighborhood that nothing is there and what still is there is waiting to die or leave. just because nobody interesting likes the crap that suburbs are made from doesn't mean rethinking the adjacent neighborhoods to the hastily built red line will necessarily become a strip mall. ...and by my estimation, downtown is starting to look an awful lot like a suburban strip mall. what are we shooting for here anyway? i'd love to see a hardware store, a laundromat, and a bodega on one city block for once.

what is the secret part of this thread that i'm missing? seems like any advertisement of activity or interest in these places is plenty welcome. rome wasn't built in a day. but there were a lot of risky moves for caesar to turn the city of bricks into a city of marble. whats to lose on this bet? do you really think old red will disappear because of this activity?!? what do we have to lose here? be specific.

i was joking about a pretty design. so where are riders going to come from anyway? i suppose there would have to be a lot of housing and all sorts of goodies planned too. i thought this was the whole point of this project; to get people doing things in these neighborhoods. i really can't imagine the construction of a boulevard making the area around those rapid stations any less desirable than they are already; i don't see how aiming a street grid around these stations could be any more detracting for development than whats there already. if its done right it might entice the right kind of development.

like i said, have rem koolhaas design it.