cyclovert

can someone show me a link to this? i'm a big fan KJP's maps. i also wonder about a station around 14th even though there's mostly a freeway interchange... oh, ODOT. eh, maybe i should campaign to have the baseketball stadiarenas torn down to put the land to better use.

I think that's exactly what our rail system is, which is unfortunately why it will probably never reach it's full potential. Honestly, Other than W.25th and Shaker Square, what stop in our entire system serves a remotely densely populated area. It's a shame. the under-appreciated E 120th st rapid station is in a densely populated area. its just either one doesn't know it exists, is terrified of the desolate corner on which its entrance opens, or is terrified of the long, violent crime-friendly corridor leading to its platform. i'm excited about its move to mayfield even though i think i like this old station. i have a lot of photos of it. otherwise, i feel like the fate of old red lies in the crappier neighborhoods through which it passes. i'd hate to see this train devolve into the university circle/ Downtown express. i'm hopeful that its only a matter of time before the importance of land surrounding stations between downtown and UC are recognized. go proximity!

can anyone tell me if there have been recent plans to extend the red line further east? it seems reasonable enough. also, didn't west 40-something have a station or am i imagining this?

well put, mayday. but i wasn't offended at the idea that my ideas most likely will yield terrible results (i'm well aware), but rather that i'm some kind of 'outsider.' i would never suggest that all you need is the ____. the ____ is already there. whatever it is that drives the 'market forces' hasn't been fair in the amount of force it supplies to cleveland compared to, say, the southwest. and that's really interesting. my intentions have little to do with business- so i shouldn't have posted that controversial comment; not fair to all the people who respond to these things. but thanks for all the information.

by 'change it' i meant 'move there myself.' not house-flip. i find it odd that though everyone here would agree that the unseen 'market forces' of the cleveland area are to blame for such an urban tragedy its somehow taboo to cast a critial eye upon the cleveland market and the things it likes to consume and those it likes to pass up; i find it remarkable that between to train stations, in this metropolitan area of this size, that people like me (in their 20s, broke-ish and with nothing to lose) haven't shown up here by now- and not for the sake of some house-flipping scam. 'far too gone' sounds like a blank canvas... dotted with brownfields. i'm well aware of this neighborhood's history and its current social climate. but if a neighborhood has been displaced or 'blighted' to the degree that this one has been, there must be some point where it can start over. my claim of 'literally no investment' was clearly hyperbole. i was thinking more along the lines of having to move a train station or rebuild a major arterial roadway in order to make this place more pedestrian-friendly or desirable for private investment. its already really pretty too. its ironic that this centrally-located neighborhood is considered the periphery.

i'm not sure whats unrealistic about realizing the value of this neighborhood. it seems like all the requirements of TOD are met and, in fact, already exist. whats the missing element? also, what does "far too gone" mean?

i retract the "only in cleveland" line; temporary insanity.

:whip: only in cleveland would the strip of buildings between both rapid stations on E 79th be empty. there are about 7 2-story buildings. they are within a few hundred feet of both stations. if this isn't the most likely sight for TOD in the world i don't know what is. in fact, there already is TOD and its empty. this area requires literally no investment. what does it take for clevelanders to take notice of this stuff? i'll bet i can buy one of these buildings for less than the cost of a car... and i would never need a car again because i could get anywhere in the entire city, by train, in about 15 minutes. i just hope the city doesn't tear down whats left of this TOD before i get a chance to change it.

sorry for the unclarity; i read that the initial costs of BRT are what made it the best option for euclid, not that RTA has some problem with railroads. but i also heard that after a few years the maintenance costs of buses is higher than trains and the initial savings is gradually offset. if this is true (which i'm sure someone here can verify), wouldn't the ECTP's success effect the likelihood of a similar, rail-based project with higher initial costs? i'm sure a dwindling population and poopy economy play as much a role in deciding whether or not a city gets money for such things. but it also seems like ECTP is instigating a lot of private investment. and even though i cry myself to sleep every night knowing its not a real streetcar, i have to say that it looks really great and its the only avenue in this county on which i feel safe on a bike. in the mean time i'll be viral marketing the false reopening of the subway on my blog site.

anyone think there's a chance, pending the success of the ECTP, that we'll ever see the detroit superior bridge reopened to streetcars and not just walking tours?

i would love it if someone here could share with me the CPT's original plans for the rapid system before they were whittled down to a single, east-west route (the 'red' line). i have a hypothesis that they would have retained most of the major streetcar routes. maybe like the streetcar-gone-subway in boston?... am i warm?

i think the best and most overlooked sight for a TOD would be the space between the red, blue and green lines where they pass E 79th street. there are three avenues that are basically empty with train stations at the north and south end of E 79th. you could get to the two major employment centers in the city, as well as shaker square and the airport, in minutes. and whats even more interesting is that its basically an empty slate. and it could easily accommodate tens of thousands of people with no need for cars. i wish i was a developer. and just for kicks; wouldn't it be great if that bridge (for the green and blue line) that crosses holton ave instead merged onto the pennsylvania railroad's private line (the one thats elevated through most of the east side)? just think of how many stations could be scattered through downtown. oh, my. just like the days when there was a passenger station for the pennsylvania at 55th and euclid. and i apologize if anyone has suggested similar ideas.