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I live in Wisconsin? Huh? I live at the corner of Clifton and Ludlow in Cincinnati. I wasn't mentioning a planner track to prove a stronger point. He's from the same school. Nothing more. The correlation between Section 8 (generally) and crime cannot be ignored, yes. But in order to build more integrated communities, we need to recognize our own cop-outs (concentrated vs. deconcentrated low-income quarters, for instance) and stop treating poverty like a scare on our *perfect* cities. Again, the generalizations about Section 8 and the urban poor doesn't help to solve a single thing--it just exacerbates the issue and provides no solutions.

^^Ah, okay. Well, I'm sure we'll hear one of their famous outbursts. Record shows, right?

I want evidence that it's crime ridden. This thread is now littered with assumptions.

^Isn't that a bit off topic though, or are the 3-C and Cincinnati Railroads threads hidden?

^Is it really that badly off? It doesn't seem like it.

Well, you're surely not going to fill the Vernor Manor hotel with condos. The place needs work as it is, so I understand. The market is saturated, and the rooms are small. Section 8 would be good to fill it for now. Perhaps in 15 years, after we have swaths of rail options, our population balloons by 100K, we can then think about using our old hotels for their originally intended purposes. Not likely though.

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Very nice. Thanks for sharing!

I can tell that this will become a pissing match, and I don't want any part of it. But really, cincySAL, your responses are purely subjective (as you know). I'm sure that the CEO of Christian Moerlein wouldn't waste his time bringing back Hudy and Burger brands, if he thought they tasted the same as budget beers across the country. Simply, you're discounting them from their position in Cincinnati beer culture, and their place in the epicenter of Cincinnati beer production, because they're not craft brews. It sounds like you want the Lager House to be some beer haven that only you and your fellow snoots will appreciate. As Fun7007 said, the majority of people don't drink craft beers, or even premium beers. CM needs to pay the bills on that piece of land by the river. Let the Lager House be the Cincinnati beer institution it should be--something for everyone.

You really think so? I think people equate the Cincinnati Police with racism more than they do with anything German.

Spot on, fellow planner.

Restaurants always offer budget beers. How would the Lager House be any different? The goal is to provide options for your whole customer base. The Lager House--the way I see it--will be a celebration of Cincinnati beer culture. Why should it or we ignore any of it selectively. The fact that several former breweries' recipes are all under one roof, so to speak, (and will actually be brewed under one roof) ensures tremendous stability for each brand. Even though I prefer certain classes of beer over others, I want the Lager House to be a destination for beer snobs and casual drinkers alike. Why shut anyone out? I'd rather someone who only drinks Miller Lite to visit the Lager House, switch to a local brew of slightly higher caliber, and support local business.

Please expound. Without explanation, your statement his highly offensive.

^It's unfortunate that, of the possible temporary relocation options of the ballet and orchestra, the Emery Theatre isn't in the cards. Of course, we don't know where the money would come from, but it would be a great spearhead for the project.

^I've still been a little confused by the project. I always thought that the atrium would be located in the center of the three buildings, while the interior of all three will be uninterrupted. Seems like the opposite will be the case (which would make me relieved), based on what you reported, ink. Nonetheless, it's exciting that a strong tenant will locate there. Just the first floor though, hmm? I wonder how much they currently staff at their location on Williams Pike.

^I'm sure that the sponsors pay for most of it, year after year. WEBN puts it on, their sales department sells ad space on the bridges and around radio airtime bracketing the fireworks broadcast. I don't know how money is split though, since the station obviously doesn't own any bridges. It's probably a split between Rossi's, the city, sponsors, and WEBN.

Found that I didn't really have any articles posted from any of those publications, just the member blogs like UrbanCincy and building-cincinnati.

Anyone know what's new with this building and its planned Class B office space?

^^I'm still going to have to disagree. Section 8 does not equal crime and destabilization in cases where adequate management, screening, and security is in place. In Cincinnati, we have a disproportionate quintile of low-income residents. You're surely not going to see Section 8 pop up in wealthier neighborhoods, as can be judged by Cincinnati's segmented NIMBY views and the city's overall aversion to the poor. Pertaining to the latter, the majority opinion is that we put the poor out of sight and mind. However, this transitional area of Corryville is a perfect location for Section 8--short distance to medical facilities, proximal to Downtown and social services (Job & Family Services is right down the street). The only place you're going to deconcentrate poverty and get something like this is in a transitional neighborhood, where there are multiple projects and efforts that affect all income levels equitably.

Umm, how is this a blow to the city?? When low-income residents and social services are concentrated in one neighborhood in the city, people cry foul. When there's an opportunity to disperse it among other neighborhoods....you're still crying foul? I see this as a great opportunity, actually. Low-income doesn't need to (and doesn't always) equal crime and dilapidation. Riverside Plaza in Minneapolis is a perfect example. Another plus here is that they'd be using an existing building, instead of razing the site for that use. If this becomes a concentrated Section 8 voucher block, I fully expect that the city will ensure proper management. I do not believe that the recently completed middle to upper income residential in Corryville will suffer as a result of this move. Do we want integrated neighborhoods or not?

That's actually the last surface lot left throughout campus, is it not? I wouldn't count the Marriot and VA parking around East Campus in this. Obviously the hospital commands a lot of surface parking.

Depressing. Thanks for sharing your research. Shows that once a neighborhood is destroyed, it becomes much easier to claim properties for further commercial development.

Looks like this is a jerk-fest thread but I guess I'll throw in anyway... Amtrak Chicago CTA bus Chicago CTA "L" Chicago Metra commuter rail Cincinnati METRO bus Indianapolis IndyGo bus megabus Minneapolis Hiawatha LRT Minneapolis MetroTransit bus New Jersey Transit commuter rail New York-area MTA Metro North Railroad commuter rail New York MTA subway Northern Kentucky TANK bus Washington Metro subway

Could the mods agree upon where certain topic posts should go? seicer directs CR posts to the beer thread. Randy posts about CR in the CRP thread anyway. *brain explodes*

^And where was that? (Probably should just feed my curiosity and then get back on topic.)