Blue Line

^In the Environmental, that is.

Question: Why are there bus stops at almost every block down at the Banks, when a streetcar is already going to stop at the alternate blocks? This seems entirely unnecessary.

I'm headed there tonight for the same milkshake I've gotten from them for the past 8 years. Sweet Cream ice cream with cinnamon, hot fudge and Oreo bits. I love how quickly people jump on bandwagons of denouncement.

Yes, nevermind the permanent obsolescence of routing from Dixie Terminal to the Suspension Bridge. Turned a transit hub into an office mall, and a bridge into a tourist route.

^^Nah. Just an old man by himself with a paper sign. It wasn't even properly stenciled like the Impeach Bush signs. Don't think it's the same guy either. Looks like he just scribbled it down.

Saw a guy in his 70s or 80s holding a paper sign, reading, "Put a public park here." It was pretty sad, honestly. I also didn't really agree with him. We have enough public parks.

^Oh, yes. We should continue to allow convenience stores to sell supplies for crack addicts, and let people spend all their money on drinking themselves away.

Big difference between a recreational trail and a bike lane.

But one of the primary mechanisms of FBC is to encourage higher density in key areas. The current solution to maintaining walkable, street-fronted business corridors is to establish overlay districts all over the place. FBC would simplify the process but also allow less room for exceptions. Variances are not part of FBC. It's not so formal and convoluted as the current zoning regulations, and is meant to replace current zoning entirely in neighborhood areas that prefer it.

Has that even been explored yet? I haven't heard of any dialogue between the EPA and those involved in streetcar planning.

I would like that much more than the Euclid/Corry ideas that have been floating around. In Clifton, that would help with access to the future Clifton Branch Library location.

Yeah, I didn't know. I had studio over there 2 years ago as well. Huh.

I had no idea about the $1 Coneys. I'm a Skyline guy myself, living right across the street from the Clifton/Ludlow location. So it'll be hard for me to justify heading over to Corryville for Coneys, but my planning studio *is* in that neck of the woods, next quarter. So it's a possibility! Thanks!

Just because a route selection for the next phase may be the cheapest doesn't mean that future connections won't be made that much more expensive. I feel that the Vine Street connection will make it more challenging to expand up Clifton Avenue (not West Clifton) to Clifton proper. I feel a better a approach to this streetcar planning is not solely to revitalize neighborhoods it traverses, but also where its destinations are. Do I feel that the uphill section of Vine will ever by a walkable district? No I don't. I think we should be planning to increase opportunity for density where density already exists. These are just gut feelings, of course.

Yeah, I don't really like how two people, who are both interested in relaying interesting historical information about Queen City culture, can be at odds with each other. Mecklenborg, why assume so much about Singer's methodology for writing his book. We know you've done a great deal of research for your own, but why accuse him of distributing faulty historical information. I'm looking forward to the book, but I have seen you slam a few people for even addressing historical information you've found incorrect.

Looking forward to checking out the new joint on Short Vine. *Not* looking forward to another Middle Eastern restaurant. It's that and Indian restaurants. I'd agree we have too many of those establishments already.

Monday, August 23, 2010, 6:14pm EDT Former Hamilton County jail site to be reborn as industrial park http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2010/08/23/daily9.html Business Courier of Cincinnati - by Dan Monk Courier Senior Staff Reporter A Camp Washington-based development company has agreed to purchase the old Kahn's plant from Hamilton County to develop an industrial park that's expected to employ 200 people. [...] The purchase ends years of uncertainty for the Kahn's site, where a meat-processing plant employed 500 as recently as 2001. Sara Lee Corp. shuttered the plant in 2006, later donating it to county. It wanted to build a $200 million jail on the site, but voters rejected that idea in 2007.

Where is this located?

So, it's apples and oranges. That's like arguing for the streetcar solely on the basis of having it 100 years ago. The market conditions are a completely different animal now. Having no codes in the 21st Century would be an absolute disaster, having all kinds of development that disrupt normal business operations, leisure, and security. No code gets you what happened at Center of Cincinnati. No code is not a direct translation to walkable, 19th Century development.

I know the UrbanCincy reader base is bright, but not explicitly stating the old name of the establishment seems like a mistake. It may seem obvious what it was named before "The Bistro," but there are a lot of bistros.

There were fewer land use types back in 1850.

Some of you guys can be some real chumps. What's with the attitude? Twice in this thread. I know Venice on Vine means well. Heck, it was designed by UC students, uses recycled building materials, and employs a charitable organization. I know it's hard to get past that sometimes, because they mean well, but the food is just okay. If there a Dewey's in OTR, I think that would fill the gap.

You don't have to put me in a box. Yes, I'm very happy to see Joe's Diner, but we're talking about the Gateway Quarter. I'm just asking for a few *new* layman food options in OTR. If you take a ratio of higher-priced food establishments that've popped up in the Q, compared to moderately-priced outlets that compliment the old standbys, there's quite a discrepancy.

Do you *still* think they're not keeping Shipley? If you can nearly run back a kickoff from the Cowboys, I think you're on your way to proving you have a place on the team.

None of them except Lucy Blue are in the neighborhood. I'm not looking for more of "the same"? We just still haven't seen a lot of affordable options in what we all consider to be an up-and-coming *neighborhood*. Unless we just want OTR tourists, we need something there for residents that serves quality food at reasonable prices.