Clefan98

This non-legacy beats the crap out of any legacy service we once had to CIN.

Larger Aircraft, More Seats To Hubs The news is not all bad for Cleveland residents, though. United still serves nearby Newark and Washington Dulles airports and will upguage aircraft in those markets to compensate for the service loss to DCA and LGA. The net result will be more premium seats out of Cleveland. Overall, United grew 3.6% in Cleveland in 2019 and expects further growth in 2020. https://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.com/2020/01/21/united-cleveland-cuts/

It's a 40min flight from Burke to Lunken without the hassle of going thru security. I use this about 2-3x a month. It's fantastic.

That's fine, we have access to airports that do.

There's not many new destinations to add domestically.

American also increased service to LGA. There is an overall net increase in seats. You're correct about United. It's not a Cleveland issue though.

Having discount airliners and legacy airliners isn't a binary choice. We can and will have both. I just posted two very recent articles about legacy airlines EXPANDING service in CLE.

To the city for rebounding so quickly, unlike most airports after a de hub.

Except that's not entirely true: American Airlines is adding flights on two routes to Cleveland that United Airlines is cutting this spring. The Oneworld alliance carrier will add a fourth daily flight between Cleveland Hopkins International Airport (CLE) and Washington Reagan National (DCA) on June 4, the Cleveland airport unveiled Friday. The same day, American will shift two of its three existing Washington National flights, as well as its four daily New York LaGuardia (LGA) flights to either Bombardier CRJ700 or Embraer E175 jets — both have first class and economy cabins — from smaller all-economy Embraer ERJ-140s. https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-airlines-moves-to-fill-united-gap-in-cleveland/ And: Guerin adds that there will be no decrease in the overall number of seats United offers between Cleveland and Washington/New York. "In fact, we expect to increase the total number of premium seats in 2020 as a result of these changes," he wrote. United plans to use their mainline aircraft instead of regional aircraft for flights from Cleveland to Chicago O'Hare, Newark and Washington Dulles International, resulting in slight overall seat growth but additional premium seats year-over-year. United also intends to add to their current schedule of nonstop flights from CLE to Florida this spring, with new weekend non-stop flights to TPA (Tampa), FLL (Ft. Lauderdale) and RSW (Ft. Myers). https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/united-airlines-to-discontinue-direct-flights-from-cle-to-laguardia-reagan-this-spring/95-e8dcb2df-3d6e-4bd1-933f-a236666c2061

Was it the city's fault that United bought Continental then decided to de hub Hopkins? I don't think so. Hopkins has fared much better and recovered quicker than virtually all airports who lost their hub status. It's also OK to give credit when credit is due.

Check this: https://www.lboro.ac.uk/gawc/world2018t.html

#2 and #3 would help the poverty rate.

That would be great. If we do, the airport will reflect that growth, organically.

Focus on #2 and #3 and the rest will work itself out. As the city demographics change (and they are) Cleveland will naturally begin electing better leadership. I know the next mayor of Cleveland is going to be light years more effective than the current. That will take care of #4 & #5a. Still not completely sold on #5b, but since the rest of your list is so solid, I'm going to cave in and agree with you.

Population size doesn't make world-class cities. Cleveland has world-class assets and you know it. I would argue Cleveland does have an accessible airport with a decent amount of direct affordable flights to key destinations - and more are on the way. Hopkins is in need of international service and a few more direct flights to key markets, but we're not that far off from what other metros our size offers. In terms of air service, we're better off than most of Midwestern counterparts outside of Detroit and Chicago - they're 2x and 3x our size though. Here's a list of nonstops out of Cleveland. Honest question: outside of international service, what key US markets are we missing? https://www.clevelandairport.com/flight-information/non-stop-cities I'll start with Seattle (currently seasonal) KC and San Diego. For those expecting to compete with major markets and tourist destinations, you're going to be disappointed for the rest of your life. I accept the fact that Cleveland is a Gamma+ city and our airport reflects that.

So can Cleveland. We've managed to stay a world-class city while having an average airport. We're on the verge of growth for the first time in 6 decades. If the economy continues to improve/grow, airlines will notice and add more flights. There's no magic wand here, fellas.

Nah, I like to focus my time and energy on real matters and issues.

Exactly. But let's waste billions of dollars on something when we have more important issues to fund.

I do this all the time. It rarely involves the airport.

Roads, bridges, rails, ports yes. I'm not convinced about airports though. No one has posted any facts on what Cleveland has lost out on due to Hopkins. Columbus is booming w/out superior air travel.

Just stating my opinion, which is allowed on this site. I'm also very realistic about Cleveland's size and outside factors we're dealing against. Sometimes the easiest thing is to blame the city without thinking. Boomers remember Cleveland for what it once was, not what it is.

It helps to read the whole thing: "While the results of this research are only directly applicable to the Chinese economy, its methods and general findings can be transformed and applied to other urban economies".

They needed a lot of things. Columbus made Amazon's top 20 list while Cleveland did not. Columbus' airport offers even less nonstops than we do. Also, do you think airlines may have added service if Cleveland won the bid? My guess is yes. Airports don't create and expand markets, they are byproduct of them.

Have you seen any of the job's reports lately? Cleveland has been holding its own (even beating some national metrics), so obviously the airport can't be too much of deterrent. Could it better? Sure. But you've shown zero proof to back up any of your claims. You're excellent at the buzz words game though! I'll continue to wait on the specific opportunities we've lost - Amazon was a weak attempt. So Diamond left solely because of our airport, or was it one of many factors? Geographically speaking, Atlanta is the king of the south. It's the only major metro w/in hundreds of miles of itself. The Cleveland metro competes in air travel with Akron, Columbus, Detroit and Pittsburgh. Air travel isn't as important to an area like Cleveland who is more connected by water, rail and highways than most cities/regions. Geography and location plays a role: Airport development is negatively correlated with ground transportation development. The negative correlation with ground transportation reflects the substitutability between ground transportation options, such as railroads and highways, and air transportation. The less developed regions of China are the west and northeast regions. Yao and Yang’s results suggest an incentive to construct airports and promote air travel in these less-developed areas because substitutable forms of travel are costly to implement there due to the presence of vast, mountainous terrain (Yao and Yang, 2008/07). https://sites.duke.edu/urbaneconomics/?p=1248 Think.

LOL Amazon was never coming here. You're out in left field.