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^Now I'm gettin' flat out "cranky" :-D

Now that is simply frightening.

Very impressive Step2me. Thanks for sharing.

I would certainly love to see it (see my reply#92 pg 4) but it looks as if FCE has no interest in developing that site; just selling it. When you look at the renderings McCleveland posted and see what Eaton turned down from Stark, it seems clear they're just not interested in downtown. Hope I'm wrong.

^^ That's hilarious :wtf:

I was born and raised in Cleveland, and now live in Las Vegas. You can see how hard I tried to be clever.

:whip: I can NOT BELIEVE you just called me cranky....you..you have no.... I have NEVER been cranky in my ENTIRE life, I am Mr. Go# Dam* Happy-go-lucky :whip:....... Now I know why you haven't posted on the World skyline photo trivia thread. You're to busy here talkin bout cranky and crazy and cockrings and puke.. you may continue, I'm better now :-D :-D :-D

Since there has been some discussion here concerning which generation prefers this campus idea and why, I thought I would post this excerpt from the link I posted a couple pages back. "...Parking and transportation issues in Calgary´s congested core are key drivers for the blossoming suburban office market. Add to that the ongoing labour shortage, predicted to worsen in the next decade as baby boomers retire, and it´s easy to understand why companies are trying new ways to attract high-quality employees. Avoiding long bus trips, rush hour traffic, and expensive parking is a strategy that works. "People typically want to go where there´s a better lifestyle," says David Weinkauf, senior VP of Remington Development in Calgary. "The generation Xers [generally, people born between 1965 and 1980] particularly are looking more for lifestyle as opposed to just work, no play."The newest generations of workers are known for their desire for work/life balance. In Alberta, they have the luxury of selecting their employers rather than waiting to be chosen. Remington Development´s newest corporate campus is part of a unique mixed-use development-Quarry Park-that will include up to 1.7 million sq. ft of office space and 91,000 sq. ft of retail. It also will include multi-family and single-family residences. The project is predicted to cost more than $1 billion. Quarry Park has quick access to Calgary´s major routes. As well, it will offer lots of parking. That fact, Weinkauf says, played a major role in Jacobs Canada´s decision to move to Quarry Park next May. "If they couldn´t have the parking, they would go elsewhere," Weinkauf says. "And from an economic standpoint, we don´t want to lose an employer of 2,000 people in this city." Parking is also one of the reasons Bell Canada is pulling out of downtown Calgary and heading to Remington´s Westwinds Business Park. Weinkauf says that Bell made the decision to move to enhance employees´ lifestyles by providing a parking stall for everyone, access to amenities, and more space. Bell plans to move in December 2008..." To be clear, I think it's horsesh*t. :whip:

Now that's called making an entrance! Welcome to the forum.

Well, I believe they are going to handle the water issue before it gets to the elevation of this wall. I believe that is what the core drilling of the concrete wall above the new retaining wall is for. Typically, they will drill into the retaining wall to allow water to flow along the natural contour that it has for years, divert it to sumps at low points of the site and pump it off site. Much appreciated. :wave:

Thanks McCleveland, I'm glad you decided to post those renderings. Out of curiosity who were the architects?

^^Thanks again, it's great to have knowledgeable people on this forum. So then this wall is clearly not form work for a so called "bathtub". That I believe would be constructed below the level they are now correct? I ask because if they are making such a fuss about dealing with water issues if they choose the current mall site for the CC, wouldn't water remediation be far more difficult for this tower?

The steel anchored into the wall is be used as a tieback into the soil behind the wall. If you look closely at the steel, there are two blots flush with the steel. Those bolts are threaded around anchor bolts that extend into the soil behind the wall and help in supporting the entire retaining wall. Thanks gotribe. If I can tap your knowledge a little more; does this mean there is no concrete on the other side just soil? I think what I'm referring to is called a secant wall or slurry wall but since I don't know the difference I'm probably way off.

With only 550 employees downtown, Eaton obviously does not occupy the entire building. Anyone know how much of that building is occupied by other companies and how much is vacant? Thanks for those photos MayDay. Conversion to residential is an interesting idea.

Thank you much, I always love aerials. Seems like a healthy way to deal with grief. My condolences to you and your partner :-(

I was curious as to the argument for corporate campus vs high rise and Googled just that. The sales pitch of course flies in the face of all that is holy to me, but here are a couple if you're interested in this sort isolationist argument. http://www.albertaconstructionmagazine.com/articles.asp?ID=460 http://www.domandevelopments.ca/engine.cfm?i=1

Thanks for the updates MayDay Do we have some engineers that can speak to what the steel anchored to the wall is all about?

^I'm wondering if something along the lines you describe happened today between 4 and 5pm since I got booted off and couldn't get back on till now. I'm guessing the obvious answer is yes. :-D

I'm not sure you can extricate moving the company from Cleveland from not being anti-Cleveland. Eaton knows how this move will effect the city's revenues and that means they are directly and adversely effecting the school system and other city services. They also know Cleveland can ill afford that loss. Is that Eatons' responsibility? I say it is the responsibility of any good corporate citizen, but it appears there aren't many of those left. I understand your sentiment here and I believe jpop spoke well to the rest of your post, but I do believe this is, even if unintended, anti-Cleveland.

I remember commenting on the FEB thread how dissappointed I was in this "corporate campus" component of the FEB and hoped Eaton would consider a different more appropriate downtown option. I still don't understand how the corporate campus is more advantageous to the day to day operation of a company and invite anyone to enlighten me on the matter. It was a childlike hope I had that if somehow the powers that be would recognize that if FCE stopped proposing the TC site for a CC they had an ideal candidate in Eaton for developing their land. Picture a tower on the corner of Ontario and Huron similar in massing to the courthouse tower. That would still leave room for campus like growth in the future. A well conceived master plan for the site could make it a stunning development and FCE would have a growing fortune 500 tenant on the doorstep of their mall. Credit for the photo to kcgridlock originally posted on the Above Cleveland thread.

TWO? Progressive and Eaton But they are not the two largest. Large employers yes, but the two largest, no. According to Fortune 500 they had the most revenue on their 2008 list. Progressive = 14.687 Billion Eaton = 13.033 Billion

TWO? Progressive and Eaton

From the Crains article "... the law allowed communities to pass their own legislation to exempt these high-end retirement plans from city income tax." It is this provision in House Bill 95 that allows for the sort of destructive wrangling between communities that can lead to the slow death of the center city. Since it seems clear that the corporate leadership is far more interested in protecting their personal wealth than committing to the vibrancy of downtown this provision gives them an added tool to do just that. I can only imagine why this language was included in the bill to begin with. I would love to remain positive, as some have, but this city is in need of some good news and losing your largest (by revenue) company to the burbs is just not good news. It will now be fact that the two largest companies in the region will be located outside of downtown. My hope is that this is not the start of dangerous trend and that Eatons' decision is not final.

I would like to second that request. Anyone out there with a crainscleveland.com subscription?

^Nice find jpop, thanks. Love seeing classic stuff like that getting restored and put to good use.