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Cleveland poverty numbers drop sharply There's a new story to tell about poverty in Cleveland that is far different than what has been written, and rewritten. Fewer Cleveland residents are living in poverty, new census estimates say. This in a city that has been maligned for years as having one of the highest poverty rates in the country. The reversal of the trend is not simply because the city has been shrinking. The percentage of people in poverty is also down. http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2016/09/cleveland_poverty_numbers_drop.html#incart_river_home

^The market determines new construction. Why build 30 story buildings when you have a glut of empty buildings ripe for conversion? That's why we're hearing about new construction now because most of those buildings have been converted. Again, what are you expecting?

We had it when manufacturing was humming.

According to you, all the projects I Iisted don't count ...I get it. Also, you missed my point.

I was in Philly last week and they were everywhere. I don't know how/why they became so popular.

You do know there's a crane in University Circle for a 20 story apartment building. The 30 story Hilton opened several months ago. The East Bank has a 20 story building that's a few years old and phase 2 is pretty new. The 9 is 20+ story building that was empty for almost my entire life and now it has apartments and hotel. Heinen's renovated the old Cleveland Trust building another building that had been empty my entire life. The Schofield recently opened with apartments and a boutique hotel. Looks the Cleveland Athletic Club has financing. That's another 15 story building being renovated. There is an 11 story apartment building at 18th and Euclid under construction (there was a crane there). The Standard, Garfield and Leader buildings are being renovated. Almost every building on Euclid has been converted to apartments over the last few years. Weston seems to moving forward with their Warehouse district plans. 515, a 20 story apartment building, seems to be moving forward as well. Will see what happens with Nucleus. I don't know the make up of downtown Milwaukee, but Cleveland had a glut of empty buildings. Those are almost gone. Not sure what you are expecting.

^You're right...only 7 million in absolute dollars is absurd.

What are these numbers? No context. Does that number include residential conversions? Also, I never see you post in the numerous Cleveland neighborhood forums which discusses ongoing residential development.

The will have no problem selling out playoff games.

The Indians have to win fans back. Yesterday's moves really helped. First time I can remember in a long time the Indians being aggressive.

Don't get the hate. I guess people from Portland are insecure.

CPD estimated 1 million at 10:30 this morning. Anthony Lima tweeted the Greater Cleveland Sports Commission estimated 1.3 million.

For all the bad pub we get, I'll take compliments.

Agree, BelievelandD1...a little adversity may be good for the Cavs. I would be more concerned about tomorrow night if they didn't come back in the 2nd half.

Believeland was good.

Once all available buildings for residential conversions are completed we will see more new construction.

If we're talking about overall development, cranes aren't the only indicator. There have been a ton of residential conversions in Cleveland.

Loving this thread. I recently purchased rental property in Collinwood. Looking to get into multi-family properties.

I'm glad it's moving forward. Dow sounds like he wants to be important. It's time to reduce the number of council members and eliminate wards. Just have 8 members represent the city as a whole.

Young people are moving to Cleveland just not nearly enough to offset those leaving. That's the problem. I think the city needs to have a more aggressive marketing campaign. We have cheap housing, public transportation and culture. We still have to overcome 50 years a bad publicity. About ten years ago a friend told me she was moving to Portland. I asked if she had a job. She said no. She said I'd rather be jobless in Portland than working in Cleveland. Young people don't always follow jobs.

Right, Strap...here are the numbers...lost 10,000 in domestic migration. Gained 4,500 in international migration and 2,900 gain in natural increase (births and deaths). We don't know the demographics who left or moved here. There may be positives in those numbers or it could be all bad. We know our natural increase is low suggesting an older population. That's what really keeps Columbus growing. They had a natural increase of 12,000 last year. If it's true we are attracting young and educated millennials, we may see a more robust natural increase in the future. Again, this speculation, but the analysis for why the region is stagnant is complicated. Some of it is just our demographics (which is changing). A lot if it is job creation.

It's no coincidence the Rust Belt cities are struggling. Pittsburgh (lost 5k in the MSA) may be ahead due to the fact they lost all their manufacturing jobs in relatively short time whereas we've been dying a slow death in terms of manufacturing for the last 30 years. Isn't the region transitioning? We have a higher percentage of college graduates in the region. The healthcare industry has been adding jobs and Cleveland is considered a strong healthcare town. Our largest employer are healthcare providers. What's happening downtown, University Circle and the near West Side is evidence of change. This wasn't even a possibility 10 years ago. Obviously it's not fast enough, but it's not like we haven't seen signs of a transitioning local economy. You can't expect to move from a heavy manufacturing town to a knowledge based one in a decade. I know what you are saying about the "fluff" pieces but some of those numbers suggest a transitioning economy. Again, our leaders at the local and state level can do more.

Is it possible that area is changing but at the same time stagnant? Thats what I was getting at in my post. Some numbers suggests we are attracting younger, more educated people but still losing people. Isn't that what should happen when you are transitioning from a manufacturing based economy? Also, I never expected downtown's momentum to change change the region's trajectory, but it's an important piece of eventually attracting people and jobs.

Maybe Cleveland is an outlier because our economy was so heavily reliant of manufacturing for the past 100 years. The same can be said with Pittsburgh, Detroit and Buffalo. (Pittsburgh's MSA dropped about 5k). I think some of us are too young to remember how many manufacturing jobs used to be here. It is mind boggling to think how many manufacturing jobs here 40, 50, 60 years ago. My Dad worked at J&L in the 70s. When he started there were 6,000 people employed there. When he retired from Mittal in 2011 (same mill, different name) less than 1500 worked there. That’s just one factory. There were hundreds more mills and factories like that all over Northeast Ohio that used to employ thousands of people. For the most part, they’re all gone. In my opinion, our regional demographics don't help job growth/attraction as we have less college graduates than the national average because we were so heavily reliant on manufacturing for long. Some companies in the region are having a hard time finding talent because of this. However, this has been slowing changing as we're creeping slowly towards the national average. Also, some of the numbers suggests we are attracting younger, more educated people (obviously not enough). The transition to a knowledge/service based economy has been painfully slow and frustrating but not unexpected considering we were one of the most industrialized regions in the world at one point. I do agree our leaders can and should be doing more.

Cleveland region saw strong job growth in 2015, CSU study finds The Cleveland metro area added more jobs in 2015 than any year since 1997, driven by increases in four key sectors.The region added 23,300 jobs during the year, according to a study by Cleveland State University. That’s an increase of 2.2%, higher than cities including Boston, Denver, Minneapolis and Pittsburgh, but behind Baltimore and Indianapolis.Over 87% of the job gains were in four sectors: education and health services; the leisure and hospitality industries; construction; and financial services. Nearly 1.1 million people are employed in the metro area, which includes Cuyahoga, Geauga, Lake, Lorain and Medina counties. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20160308/NEWS/160309851/cleveland-region-saw-strong-job-growth-in-2015-csu-study-finds