Motorist

Some of their infill is pretty bad aesthetically and functionally, IMO. Their brand new stuff looks like home plan models. Which I think is fine, just not my style. https://www.knez.net/neighborhoods/ The quality of their construction is pretty bad too.

I don't necessarily mind the massing or siting (though it could be better and lose that dogleg on the back) but, in my opinion, the design is boring and uninspired. I'm sure it'll have all of the finest detailing possible from a Kawneer storefront system.

I seem to be in the minority here but I think that design looks terrible. It's early in the design so one could always hope but the designers and developers of these big projects in Ohio City don't have a track record of good design to support that hope.

Are you kidding? Who do you think was in the drivers seat before? Because the City and the County certainly weren't.

Don't count on it. The Cavs are rightfully p*ssed off about this. Do not expect any concessions, expect hardening in their position. Then let them leave. Throwing money at professional sports teams is a losing investment. We'll just have to find other things to be proud of Cleveland about.

I'm glad to see the deal is dead but the pessimist in me is just expecting them to announce Plan B next week, a slight retweaking of Plan A, that would require a whole new petition drive. Lather, rinse, repeat until the people opposing it just give up.

In truth, we don't deserve better.

I'll reserve judgement until the projects complete and have a chance to experience it but the quotes in the article about it being a new neighborhood and how walkable and well integrated it will be be don't seem to match the pictures and renderings. Is this really going to be any different from any of the other lifestyle centers/entertainment districts like the east bank of the Flats? Has it been designed and built in a way that will allow it to change and grow over the years? You know, like neighborhoods do. Or will it all need to be bulldozed in 30 years to start again? The blank face of a parking garage along Warrensville doesn't really scream walkable neighborhood.

Are you referring to the constant threats to move the teams? Despicable. I know you're being sarcastic but of course not. I'm talking about the civic "leaders" that are trying to stop the Q deal by lying to people, playing on their fears and desires to return to a world gone by while doing nothing to make the neighborhood better themselves So how is that any different than the proponents of this cash grab (and the Sin Tax before it) from playing on their memories of the Browns leaving down and the idea that the Cavs could do the same. And while Dan Gilbert himself has probably never directly and publicly threatened to move the team, has he ever publicly and directly said that the Cavs are staying in Cleveland whether they get the money or not? He could write a check for the entire amount of the renovation and not feel a bump in his day. That money can and should be spent on better things for Cleveland and Cuyahoga County.

Are you referring to the constant threats to move the teams? Despicable.

Why is it so hard for people to believe that you can love Cleveland and love watching the Cavs/Indians/Browns play but still be tired of seeing millions upon millions of dollars poured into the pockets of billionaires? Trickle down economics haven't worked so far, why should we be expected to believe that they will work this time? Edited to add: It's not their job to come up with the plan to invest in the neighborhoods. It's the job of the council men and women that they elected to represent them. And they clearly feel that their representatives have failed them in this instance.

Not sure how it's bad news that checks and balances are working despite the best efforts of City Council to circumvent them.

Why does that look so familiar? There's some veracity to this, but Edge 32 is not of this basic design - at least not the major highrise right on Detroit. If one doesn't want this sort of building, there are all sorts of older buildings one can consider, including all the hundreds of older retrofitted buildings. This can be said of all periods of the past century - e.g. apartment houses of the early '60s tend to look similar, also from the early '40s, the late '20s, etc. I disagree, I think Edge 32 looks exactly like this sort of design. And while it's true that we don't have to live in them if we don't want to, we still have to look at these turds when we go about our lives in these neighborhoods. they're the urban, multifamily equivalent of a McMansion. To that point. So many people I talk to absolutely HATE the new construction on Jay and West 30th; I love it, though. Is that the weird house with the sort of Victorian (?) detailing? For the life of me, I cannot figure out what is going on with that house. Were they trying to design a traditional home and couldn't quite figure it out? Were they trying for some sort of interpretation of a traditional home and it didn't come off? Was the client asking for and insisting on weird detailing (it happens)? It is worth noting that the project does not make an appearance on the architect's website so I suspect that they aren't thrilled with the result.

Why does that look so familiar? There's some veracity to this, but Edge 32 is not of this basic design - at least not the major highrise right on Detroit. If one doesn't want this sort of building, there are all sorts of older buildings one can consider, including all the hundreds of older retrofitted buildings. This can be said of all periods of the past century - e.g. apartment houses of the early '60s tend to look similar, also from the early '40s, the late '20s, etc. I disagree, I think Edge 32 looks exactly like this sort of design. And while it's true that we don't have to live in them if we don't want to, we still have to look at these turds when we go about our lives in these neighborhoods. they're the urban, multifamily equivalent of a McMansion.

Why does that look so familiar?