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There appears to be, as in the overall master plan, no plans to further extend main classroom to euclid. That being said, master plans change and this is probably neither the first nor the last mater plan. The stairs that are fronting chester is a good thing. Currently its where all the parking is at, and there is no conivienient way to get into the campus. 1) You have to go underneath rhodes tower to get to one, and its sorta hidden 2) You take the eleveator thats located unerneath Main classroom 3) You go in the garage in main classroom to find a stairwell or take the freight elevator there. Stairs create a more friendly entrance to the campus on that side. Plus, to the north is the only way the campus can really expand into, so it would make sense to make that area as nice as possible. Marshall law school they plan on making new entrances that front euclid better. Overall the plan for exsisting buildings is to make better, more obvious entrances into the campus. I like the doan electric building renderings, they tore down a bit of it (red part of the building) so I thought they were getting started on something. Turns out it was for more parking. I hope with the doan electric building they dont pave over and rip out the brick alley there, it makes it quaint looking.

No rate = not reported. as it would appear by this map? It seems to be saying that the eastern side of downtown, all the way up to about E40th has no crime, I am a bit skeptical of that.

I did "cleveland" Most of it is just pictures of people. Only thing I found reguarding actual buildings was the rose building, great lakes exposition, water treatment plant, old airport, and the soldiers and sailors monutment

Census tract downtown? Ward Downtowns? City's official? What people think? They are all different. In cleveland, I Consider downtown everything hemmed in by the innerbelt and the river. But the city has it a bit smaller than that, some of that is central and payne neighborhood

I like Painsville and Willoughby, but only the areas right near their respective orginal square areas. Way back in I dont know when there used to be a streetcar line that connected the two. -Side note that pic of good old marc, pope, was drawn by my barber who has a shop just off the square in willoughby.

i think if you put the extended postal code it gets more accurate.

northren kentucky the place I want to meet

They really need some new architects, everything is starting to look too much the same. Transit center, new bookstore/administration building, UC, gym, and college of education all look the same. On another note, directly north of fenn tower where the patch of trees are, they are conceptually/supposed to be putting in a diving faclity.

Most I've ever heard using this technology is people typicaly using the ICF's is in their basements, people usually cheap out when they see total price. If they really want the energy savings they should build one of these http://www.monolithic.com/ These things make this foam house like a drafty old house. There is alot of up front cost in making one, but after that enegry bills are even lower than the foam house.

Move the 100% abatment probably as short as 10 years, and it probably wont effect the current new construction output. To get rid of it totaly I dont think there would be any new home development. Can anyone think of the time when there was no abatement and home construction? I also think the abatement allows people to consider buying more "expensive units" that would ordinarly be out of their price range, which encourages builders to build more units because they can get a higher price. But in the end all the buildings will eventually roll off its abatement, sure it may suck for the mayor/city in the now but eventualy down the road they will be paying. I like to think of it this way 15 years of tax on a vacant lot or in 15 years a $200k+ building to tax.

LA gets density, I remember in my urban geography class that they use some tricks to make it that way. They determine that certain areas of land was unsuitable for building on in the first place (buildings on cliffs and hills), and subtract the land area those buildings are on. Basicaly all the buildings on the flat areas are counted only.

Class A refers to "newer office property" since 1980, and in the prime CBD areaish. Think Key or Erieview. Class B refers to space older than 1980 or offices not in the prime CBD areaish. Think terminal tower or keith building or any of the office/former offices around playhouse squareish area. Clas C refers to buildings not constructed for office purpose orginaly, really old buildings in not so good shape, or not near much of anything. Think WHD buildings converted to office space. Class D I heard is warehouse..

Oh no it looks firendly now! But seriously it looks nice, it seems to fill out the block better. Yet they put a large wall on part of euclid to hide an apparent courtyard, there isnt a need for more courtyards around MC and UC, we just got one thats underused. My only hope is that they get rid of the skybridge connecting UC and music building, and replace it with one that is heated. I also hope with all this glass on the building again they do a better job of sound absorbtion

Drove by Muller just today (sunday) and they have a sign out front indicating that the building is going condo. So, I assume the progress has begun on that building. Here is my prediction for the other project, Huron Rd area becomes what Ave. District is trying to build/become.

Yeah, I know, I ment as a joke, messagboards rarely communicate sarcasm well

FREEE PARKING Shopping - No. The only reason to go downtown to shop is to get something that can't be gotten anywhere else in the burbs, that simply isnt the case for me (that I can think of). Dinning - Hell Yes. Only homogonized chain food crap in the burbs. The ethnic foods restraunts really don't exsist in the burbs, nor do alot of the upscale restraunts that have a specific nitche to them. There is a few upscale niches, and a few ethnic foods that they do good with. I can get some good chineese and mexican, but i cant get vietnamese or greek. I can get a decent corned beef sandwich, but its no slymans. Bars is 50/50, WHD I can go without, but places that have specialty beer I like, and I will drive further for a unique good beer. Museum - A good excuse to go, but I never do. Can't say why really, its not like I hate art or anything. I do however go to the zoo at least once a year. Theatre - Infrequently. Rarely is there something I want to see, and when I heard it came or was comming, I just never mannage to get off my ass and see it, maybe more a $$ thing if anything. Special events - St. Patricks day parade. Um yeah I need more parades to get drunk and beligerant at. I fully support a chineese new year celebration in cleveland. Air show is meh, as is ribb cookoff. Parks - One of these days I'll bike the whole towpath trail when its done, all other parks stuff is local. Landmarks - only to out of towners, and most of the out of towners have seen cleveland stuff by now. Its much easier to wine and dine them.

necromantical, KJP was making the point that he does not mind living close to others, and apparently neither does the people that live with him. Appartment/style condo, rowhouse, townhouse, all have the same idea people living close to eachother with shared walls and having no problems with it. They perhaps pefer living closer to their neighbors and dont desire to have a huge yard. YOU necromantical obviously dont like it, fine by me. But you assume since you dont like it, some others must not like it, therefore nobody should make it. There is a resurgance in cleveland in townhouse/rowhouse built homes along with apartment-style condos. Why? because people want it. Developers dont build what people dont want. Me personaly, I think the trend of townhouse style development will continue to grow. I belive this because it serves the market segment that has no need for yards, that has been underserved in the housing market. Probably for at least 20 years most new construction has been detached single family homes, and not much townhouse construction. Its kinda like when everyone was buying and making SUV's, and not much else. Now its alot of small-fuel efficent vehicles.

Tell that to cuyahoga metropolotian housing authorty. None of the first sububrbs wanted their projects, all but one have been dumped in cleveland. They didnt want the negative externalities they get from having one in "their city". The problems of the inner city will allways continue to creep outward, it knows no boundaries.

Google earth shows a site seems to fit the description. Its right up next to the railroad tracks where it crosses chester. I concur its not a good place to be putting such a facility in a commercial district on the upswing. NIMBY's like this should be tucked away in places where people dont see them. That area is "too nice" for a prision, im sure we can find a crappier place

More office and light industrial/warehouse space in the future development site would be nice to see if there ever gets enough demand for it. Courtyard/amitheatre might be a dead zone becuase its on the way to parking or nothing realy at all. I cant really figure out what the walkways are going to be in there. Other than those few minor things, I think its cool as hell. The layout does a good job of making use of all the wierd niches and making nice "third places" and outdoor eating areas. Building #25 might have some killer views on a corner unit, both city view and a lake view potential.

^This thread is useless without pics By the time the residential units come rolling in, I might have enough cash to start thinking about buying into it.

I concur. Knowledge is not a bad thing. It makes people more aware of what is going on, instead of heresay and rumors. None of this messageboard rumor mill chatter of people making factless accusations of how shitty an area is, actual facts for people to make their own opions on an area. It allows people to actualy take a look at the bad areas and keep away or work to do something about it. IF anything I would feel less comfortable about an area if a group is actively trying to suppress information about crime in the area. To me it idicates the people that 'look out for the area' are trying to improve their image while doing nothing tangeable to fix it.

Slick, ive seen pics of the place in its current state and I allways wondered when in the hell they will fix it up. Tremont is all up and comming and trendy and the area had visual bad spots, this place and the projects. Its good to see them fixed.

Ugh HOB dosent need it. They got the flailing gateway garage, the large surface lot right next to it, BP garage?, the one that fat fish blues is in, and the new one built 515 or whatever. To me it looks like by removing that last building they now got enough room to build a decent sized mid rise now.

^I concur, the stuff directly downtown price points are very expensive, and I don't think many greater Clevelanders would buy stuff at those price points. People in NE Ohio know what a 400k living space looks like, and it is not something that is a bit bigger than an apartment. You have to grow the urban housing market; you can’t plop down the top and hope the people with money come. The people that have the money to drop on this have some pretty large suburban McMansions, with a lot of amenities and space, and you really can’t compete along those lines. There is no comparison of the two ways of living, so it would be pretty difficult to sell urban life to suburbanites. There needs to be more units at lower price points, to entice bunch of people to live in an urban environment. Get the people love the urban living, then over time people will want nicer/larger housing in the urban environment; then housing like avenue district would work better. There needs to be a gradual ramp up to units like this, pyramid shaped housing market in downtown. Also not a price per square foot that isn’t significantly more than suburban developments. Only developers that seem to get that concept are the ones doing muller lofts, franklin artists lofts, and Payne ave lofts. Redevelopment of older buildings, meeting price points more in line with what people expect to pay