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Downtown = no yard, surrounding neighborhoods = yards. Thats one way of looking at it, you get urban townhouses in the neighborhoods with a little squat of land to sit on, something that a downtown can't do. As for multifamily warehouse renovation type of buildings the experience can be the same. The downtown will typicaly have the higher priced units, and then the neighborhoods can usualy offer that at lower price point. Personaly in the scenario of downtown vs other neighborhoods, I think the other neighborhoods win more often because there is more options for people to buy into. There is a greater variety of housing choice in the neighborhoods than a downtown.

^^Nah, not really in the buying market right now or anything. I was just looking into the future like 5 years down the road when I'm in the buying market. Ugh I was clicking the wrong parcel, so all that stuff is inacurate for the building I particularly want. I found it in this thread. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=6530.0 Its in the 29th pic from the top building. The red brick building is the one I mistakenly gave info for. The one I like is right next to the red brick building. Its about 7,000 sqft and the audior says market rate is about $75,000. It is/was used for some type of equipment warehousing, but I think its vacant. There are some smashed out windows in the second floor (that you cant see in the pic) that overlooks the roof of the friendship auto service, so I can't say what work it would need. You probaly couldnt do muitiple units in the building, but thats not what I was realy looking to do. Something like use the bottom floor as garage/workspace, second floor as main living space, and down the road build an addition on top of the roof as a master bedroom and access to a roof patio/garden. Its all jsut a bunch of dreams for right now. But its allways good to look into what I'm getting into.

Well the particular building I've been looking at is at most 13,000 sqft and according to the county auditors website would go for $122,000. The building probably needs alot of work (as there are some smashed out windows in the upper storeis), but the location is nice and the building is as larges as I would ever possible need. I was just wondering what you have found to be the norm in chinatown area.

bizbiz, How much are you thinking something like one of the sites that you plan on buying will cost ya? Myself I have been eyeballing some smaller buildings that can be lofted in chinatown too.

That ballsy one is nice, just plant a nice and mannacured boxwood hedge along the entrance and some type of plant that drapes down from the upper balcony. It would look real nice.

~I think~ ours was built before the one in charlotte and atlanta. They ripped us off

I remember seeing in some book somewhere, perhaps heart of cleveland book?, that many times they have proposed to make the square as one but allways failed out. Specificaly in one of the renderings it showed it with a tunnel underneath it, and one of the routes through it blocked off. They didnt actualy lower the road underneath but rather built the square up and around the tunnel, without moving the exsiting segments. It was pretty bad looking, picture 80's era concrete blocks stacked on top of eachother in a haphazard pyramid like fashion. ^^ I remember the baloon launch in the 80's, I was actually there. On the trip back home to lakewood I saw all the baloons in the lake. Somehow one of the baloons actualy mannaged to get to my house and in my front yard on cook ave.

Most of it is merchants at the West Side Market and residents in the area. Why does it seem that the west side market merchants are anti development?

This happened to me maybe 2-3 weeks ago. While stopped at a red light, at prospect and the 90 innerbelt ramp, I had some crazy guy laying on his horn honking at me from behind. He was so impatient because he couldnt get by me to go down the ramp, he then proceded to rear end my car with a little tap to get me to move forward enough so he could get by. No way I could move up because there were allready 2 cars in front of me. Luckily soon afer him rear ending me the light turned and I was able to move on.

In my opinion the coast guard station and whiskey island will only get successful when the towpath trail ends there. As is you need to go all the way back to edgewater park, to drive to whiskey; when your allready at a pretty good park, whats the point in driving to a smaller "crappier" park? If/when the towpath trail ends there, at least people from stonebridge and ohio city could have close access there, with the potential for anyone that goes the towpath route.

I was just giving a quick thought, why are they making the one building an indoor parking garage, when there clearly appears to be plenty of parking in the rear?

I was clicking on the link in the amherst quarry thread, which linked me to a blog, which had a project we urban ohioans might have missed. http://clevelandplanner.blogspot.com/2006/03/4600-euclid-avenue.html Its the building that burnt down near the agora. Its not spectacular, it gives the feeling of bland suburban taste, but is certainly more preferable to a burnt out structure.

You have to know what you are looking for to find the perry plant. Literaly its just a pair of slightly elevated pixes in the picture. Arrows sort of point at it in the image I uploaded, but paint mangles the resolution, so you would have to look on the orginal to find them.

Both cleveland and eastlake gritty power plants in the same shot, and you can barely make out perry nuclear power plant in the same shot in the horizion as well.

^ Take that vontz It's really not on euclid, the campus is, just not this building in particular. Its located on ford and bellflower. Its also why I think ghery is a hackjob that dosent pay attention to context of buildings. Winter ice and snow builds up on all those funky curves and causes ice to fall on people below.

^ aw shoot late post. I like transit, I don't really like how narrow it they made the tower either. CSU wants to become a more urban campus and is actively embracing the ECP and the areas surrounding camps, while making the campus cater to people seeking tradtional campus life (Which they don't have), while still provding for the needs of current students (non-tradional campus life). This particular structure try to address all these points.

I concur that cleveland state university could become a tool of spinoff development and a more traditional campus, but that is still quite a ways off. CSU has only begun to become something different now. UC and CSU its almost apples and oranges. For comparisions im just going to do quick look on google earth to look at. Im not trying to be argumentitive in this post, merely trying to illustrate the context in which these universities exsist. Phsyically CSU is in downtown. If you were to put CSU in Cincinnati, it would be located somewhere near West 12th. Conversely UC would be somewhere out by university circle if it were in cleveland. Becuase of their particular locations there are surrounding neighborhood differences. UC has a tradtion of on campus student housing, and providing the tradtional college "campus life" CSU does and has not since its creation aimed to be anything like the tradtional college "campus life". What could be described as the opposite of tradtional college "campus life" would be a commuter school. I gues it can be said all these years CSU in a sense has been acting like a regional community college. It has been quite the relevation within the last couple of years for CSU to come out with their master plan to and having the vision to come up with a more tradtional looking and feeling campus. CSU is phsically smaller than UC. CSU is maybe 1/3 to 1/2 the size of of the western half of UC. CSU has built "more dense" than UC, making I guess it more urban. UC is also surrounded by residential areas, whereas CSU is surrounded by light industry and office buildings, making it also I gues more urban

Sure block club provide sense of securty and neighborhood community, I'm on board with that. But this one (duck island block club) has an agenda to limit who and who cannot live there. Don't embrace new residential development and include people to the community, but rather keep them out. Rosemary Vinci (head of this duck island block club) is also president of http://www.tremontwestdevelopment.com/ which seems to have some clout in the greater tremont neighborhood. Like I said, they Rosemary Vinci, is using her blockclub to push an agenda of keeping "poor" people out. I concur with MayDays coment, its not a very great area to start with, and these new structures would be vast improvement to what is allready there.

Dubai Midwest? I think it could have done without the pointless pointy spire at the top, along with alot of other buildings too. Being the tallest is nothing more than a pointless penis competition

CSU is an urban campus because it exsists in downtown cleveland, thats the only reason. UC positionaly would be in the same place Case is in cleveland. CSU doesn't have the design or layout of a "traditional campus life" that could be found in UC or Case. So CSU is urban, because it dosent have a "traditional campus". There is 1 dorm on campus, and it houses basicaly a few people from out of the area/state and the athletes. The on campus resident population is a joke really. Most of the people that go to school there are commuters, its the way its been since its built. You really can't compare it to the urban campus of UC.

^ Yeah, I just checked that out for myself. VINCI, ROSEMARY owns like almost all of w 18th street to herself. I really hate home owner associations and block clubs, treating neighborhoods like their own little fifedoms. The only way the can accomplish their little goal is buying up land really.

I dont think anything could realisticaly spin off from this project. Courthouse plaza condos, got canceled, that was "spin off" but I don't think that building was nessisarly dependent on the courthouse but rather just a marketing tie-in. Down on the rivers edge its all sherwn-williams land, adn they have been there longer than the construction of union terminal, so I don't think they are moving anytime soon. The big gaping holes around union terminal have exisited since the 20's, and we are lucky if one gets filled in every 20 years. I don't hate it nor do I think its a terrible location. I just dont think its possible to spin stuff off from there, given the owners of the lands surrounding it. The way I see it is a creeping progession of regivination along the east bank, ending somewhere in oxbow bend because of all the unusual landuse constraints down there.

http://www.clevelandpolicemuseum.org/torso1.htm Some info here, reguarding locations. http://www.deadohio.com/Kinsbury.htm This one also has some locational info, and some pictures too. http://www.cuyahogavalley.net/kingsburyrun.html This one has a tiny map (google map) with the route of Kinsbury run. I was facinated by the area too, conceptually what it could be if they actualy bothered to restore the area to nature again. And a better map of the river.

Morgan services is out of place with the neighborhood, thats why people bitch about the noise. It is a industrial building in the middle of a residential area. So long as the building they build dosent looks heavily "instiutionalized" it will be okay. People are just bitching because it means change in their neighborhood. Residents are throwing out speculated "facts" like "infrastructure problems", without being any type of engineer, to block the development. Guess what? If the sewers fail the city fixes them, if anything this type of development will force the city to upgrade infrastructure in the area. Change is inevidable in the area as Ohio city and Tremont get filled out, its simply a matter of connectivity between the two.

Its really easy to get out of people stealing stuff through adverse possesion. You need to squat on it for 21 years. Continuously for that period for that time. Exclusively for that period. Notoriously to the actual owner of that property. If they squatter can't prove that they have met all those conditions, then the actual owner gets the property back. Basicaly the real owners here wern't put on notice on what was happening, so they got their land back. I say fuck them, and eminet domain that land.