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Yep, have to agree with jmecklenborg (post #239) on this one... Never have I witnessed, on the front page of The Enquirer, such a fawning homage to one of Cincinnati's high and mighty. Gawd, you'd think that either Joan of Arc or Elizabeth I had died and left "her city" adrift! Without question, Mary Nippert's wealth benefited many artful local endeavors, but, sorry, I can't seem to forget that she was also one of the city's most pampered and coddled doyens of its uber-rich.

Indy was listed at $105.3 billion, below Cleveland. You're right--I trusted my memory when I should have referred back to the stats before posting.

^ These two maps are very helpful in numerous ways, but neither represent the two city's MSA's (which, in Cincinnati's case, does not yet include the Dayton MSA). Probably what has surprised me most of all is discovering that Indy outproduces all the 3-Cs (does it not?). What a "wake up call" this was...not good at all! (at least if one is from Ohio)

Thanks for the photo, OTR--just another delightful visual testament to the new dynamics of this venerable, once neglected park.

My bad--days ago, when you first posted these pictures, I marveled at the varied and detailed look at this handsome city that you provided with your cell phone--but I was distracted and forgot to thank you for them. (Once again, this morning, I'm enjoying them all again.) Maybe it's your phone, maybe it's your photography, or maybe it's just Cleveland itself, but it all looks good. Like other forum members, I'm waiting for your next Cleveland photo-shoot.

^ Agreed. Indeed, Theodore Palmer may have been the "victim" of a bullet, but years before he had become a scourge to society in almost every way possible. At least one poster has portrayed this man in the hackneyed image of the "eternal victim," thus minimizing this criminal's own culpability and relieving him of any responsibility for his own actions. If anything, society was Palmer's victim and Palmer was a victim of himself.

^^ Good thing is that one "Theodore Palmer" is no longer an offender nor a problem.

Maybe nothing much be added here, except to affirm the general agreement that the sprawl of residents in Cin-Day are overwhelmingly suburbanites/exburbanites who, nevertheless, stay closely attuned to the venues of both big cities. As mentioned before, this is an entirely auto-centric culture who envisions no end to gasoline and who don't see any problem with driving 20-25 miles to work. And they do travel everywhere within Cin-Day, but always return to the specific comforts of their smaller communities. I know this region well--since, from 1991-95 I lived in Middletown and from 1996-2011 in Franklin, and my feelings about this expanding sprawl is ambivalent. Yes, this "Middle Earth" between the two anchor cities can be criticized because it is SPRAWL, but it can also be admired because it is MSA (and that counts). Whether one labels Cin-Day a "megalopolis" (which it probably isn't) or a "metroplex" (which it is) makes little difference. I call it Cin-Day; others prefer calling it Daytonnati--but, no matter what, right now it's a region of 3.2 million people who need to take themselves seriously as a thriving Midwestern economic powerhouse and cultural center. For example, transportation. The entire Cin-Day corridor, from Walton, Ky. to Tipp City, Oh., begs for more than the nightmarish I-75 (or, to a lesser extent, I-71). Fast intercity rail is a must, as are LRT and BRT within the cities, etc. And CVG? A mitigated disaster! Lunken Airport? Forget it! (the hills are watching...) On paper, at least, jmechlenborg's idea of constructing a regional airport in the vicinity of the Lebanon state prison makes sense (meanwhile, altogether doing away with CVG & DAY). And linking this new regional air hub to its two anchor cities with something like Maglev, a la Shanghai (please don't laugh). Big thinking needed all way around by a region of citizens who simply must realize that they compete with the entire world, not just with each other or with other Midwestern cities.

A great set of pictures, Clueless, Ohio! If outsiders don't realize how rich Cleveland is, these photos would certainly boost their understanding. What a variety of views of your beloved city--thanks!

Thank you, unusualfire, for the visual CIN-DAY update, circa 2000-2010. Needless to say, with the completion of the I-75 Austin Rd. interchange at Springboro and the subsequent huge developments there in 2011-2012, this corridor has taken on even more significance. Posters who continue to denigrate the growing connection between Cincinnati and Dayton because it doesn't match the "models" of either Dallas-Ft. Worth or Minneapolis-St. Paul have, themselves, missed the point. This is an emerging metroplex with its own unique attributes, challenges, and promises. And, as your two contrasting maps demonstrate, what's transpiring between the two Ohio cities is all very real.

^^ I was in Washington Park today, 10 AM, along with hundreds of other people (in fact, I'm actually in the above picture)--and I can easily affirm what climberguy714 observed in the above reply. Never have such a sheer mix of people ever assembled in this park, as history was made this morning in Cincinnati. Even the protesters seemed almost in place, even though I don't think they even realized it--mainly because everyone was welcome.

^^ Thanks for sharing this wonderful panoramic photo--it's arguably one of the best pictures of Columbus ever taken!

^^ HAHAHAHA! (What's there about Mason's CBD not to like?) :roll:

^ Like you said, OTR (post # 993), this alleged "People's Platform" (or whatever they call themselves) is nothing more than a rabble-rousing fringe group who fully intend to spoil a wonderful opening ceremony and impede civilization's reclamation of Washington Park. (The ghost of Buddy Gray hovers over them with delight.)

^ Thanks you, gentlemen, for adding to your previous discussion. Much to learn here--and, no, I'm not a self-appointed moderator, but merely an arm-chair participant who wants so much to happen in the "3Cs."

^ Thanks for this timely update, northsider--this trail will definitely be one to watch! Hopefully, "word-of-mouth" here will play its part.

^^ Both Keith M. and yourself, natininja, have just contributed insightful comments (#133-134) concerning progressive urbanism (or the lack of it) in Ohio's cities. However, it would be helpful if both you and Keith M. expanded upon these ideas. For example, in your commentary, why not select specific foreign cities that you feel are the best-of-the-best metros for us to try to emulate, and briefly explain why. (Whether they be predominately European, Asian, or South American makes little difference, but most of us are already familiar with the magnetic urbanity of such giants as London and Paris, etc. What are your favorite, lesser known cities?)

Many thanks, jmecklenborg & OTR, for the photo updates. Whatever superlative one wishes to bestow upon Washington Park, it is. Whether we think of this renovation as Cincinnati's "Central Park," an urban showplace, a downtown gem, or whatever, it's ours now.

^ Certainly a handsome and imaginative brochure, northsider--thanks for bringing this eye candy to the forefront!

^^ OMG--can you believe the audacity of that guy?

Several posters (including myself) have noticed that there's absolutely no pedestrian access from the south side (Robertson Ave) into Oakley Station. Ideally, such an underpass might be made just east of where Robertson crosses I-71 (at Millsbrae Ave) or at the end of 34th Ave (at Enyart St), but, for obvious reasons, it's not going to happen. The nearest south-side pedestrian access is still at the very end of Enyart, adjacent to where the railroad crosses Madison Rd--thus this huge retail/residential complex is literally sealed off from ANY kind of access from the south. Maybe this is a "non-issue," but something's not right about this picture.

^ Gawd, can you imagine such a scenario if Cranley did win over Qualls (and opposed the streetcar)? It would be an unmitigated disaster on virtually every front, casting the city back into the national spotlight (even if briefly) for comic relief, resurrect all the streetcar opposition, split city-council, and divide the city in half. This can't be allowed to happen.

The "MMM" Mall? (i.e., the Marburg-Mason-Merger Mall) All the good things in life no more than 50 parking spaces from your car trunk...

^ HAHAHA! They have to link up with Joel Osteen and his Houston followers first, then they all plan to rendezvous with the people on the Prometheus (or was it the Nostromo??).

Does Cranley even stand a chance against Cincinnati's former mayor and still popular city councilperson? And how will such a contest be decided, if Cranley does pick up the gauntlet?