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And what plan to combat the PD and FCE? This is a serious question. You answered part of it yourself. Get the rest of the community at the table and let them speak up. These old man networks are strangling us.

Money has nothing to do with fatherhood? I disagree. Even if you have a lawn, you can't just let your baby go out and graze on it. You have to procure food and other expensive baby supplies. For time immemorial, fathers have been judged on their ability to do this. This isn't some crazy theory of mine-- it's a pillar of human civilization. Fathers go out and bring back food. It doesn't matter what country or time period you're in, that's what they do. Again I don't think the immigrant comparison is apt. When you get off a boat with your family in a strange land where you can't hardly communicate outside the family, and it's basically a psychadelic experience for all concerned, you're probably going to remain cohesive for at least a generation regardless of financial challenges. None of that is in play for the community we're discussing. Even when it was, the decision to separate families was made for them (which may still be relevant, but there I'm reaching). Of course you shouldn't have kids too early, or when you can't afford them, or when you have no intention of staying together. But those kind of mistakes happen even at the governor of Alaska level. The difference is poverty. Are you telling me the mothers we're talking about aren't going to drop the unemployed father as soon as she gets eyes from some dude with more bling? I'm terribly sorry but I think she will. And that's half the fatherhood problem. It takes two to tango.

FCE does need to be publicly called out on this, as does the PD. Both really seem to have betrayed their community.

FCE also hasn't addressed their site's connectivity problems with regard to trucks. You can only approach the back of tower city from one direction... but you can approach the mall from 3 directions, plus you can use the adjacent freight tracks.

Can we assume 1986 is when she was born? I'm willing to forgive youthful indiscretion.

Then the fathers need to make money. That always gets lost in the fatherhood discussion... how many fathers are even welcome in their families if they can't provide? That's only been their role for 10,000 years. Jobs have rapidly vanished from these neighborhoods and from the nation at large. Add in the increasing upfront cost of the average career, and you have a recipe for fathers being socially neutered-- especially young fathers. They aren't going to jump back into their traditional role without a return to a more traditional availability of income.

It seems like the underground issue needs to be addressed. I think most here see that as an advantage since CCs are just ugly warehouses anyway. Who knows how many PD commentators are real, but they seem confused across the board about this aspect. We want it underground because it can't and won't be attractive. That picture FCE has up in tower city looks like garbage. And the out-of-doors thing needs to be dealt with too, because it's patently false via the waterfront line. To say the mall location requires more outdoor walking than tower city is not an opinion-- it's a lie.

I was just about to comment on that! I saw that as well...so this is the final location of Krazy Macs and the detroit-shoreway location is no more? I believe so. Went to Barley House for a party Friday night and it was packed. I had been expecting more of a Flanery's vibe, but it was more like Spy Bar with Irish signs up. Maybe that's just the weekend evening incarnation. Intense crowd... the place has been well recieved.

I agree that those businesses need those ramps. Has there been any examination of how the ramps would mesh with putting caps over the trench? Many believe that would help the neighborhood considerably more. Ideally I'd like to have both.

Where exactly will this room go?

Excellent! I was very worried about that vote.

Now kids, I've had it up to here with your pie in the sky visions. On this site we only discuss proposals we can accomplish by ourselves with common household utensils. You're asking for changes in government policy! Who do you think you are?

I don't have a problem with their main point. But it sounds like they intend to integrate our CVB with MMPI's marketing plan, whether MMPI likes it or not. That I'm not as sure about. It doesn't seem like a bad idea on the surface. It does however seem like a way they can manufacture a needed dealbreaker. Depending on the specific guarantees they're asking for, MMPI could balk. In my opinion that is not a purchase or sale of land negotiation (it's a separate issue that's secondary to a land deal) and it must be discussed only in public.

You don't have to be an engineer, not to realize the need. Whether we have the engineers do ped lanes is a political issue. We aren't talking about time loops or cold fusion here. Just start in Tremont and walk downtown. Or vice versa. That tells you everything you need to know.

Neither of those bridges goes to Tremont, which is why this feature is such a big deal. We must have it.

^ Ask Frank Jackson. At one point, he was the one pushing for it. I imagine that it would work similarly to bike/pedestrian lanes on other bridges. They're separated from the cars so it doesn't really matter what speed the cars are going. As for how people get on it downtown... if the entire ODOT engineering staff is stumped about that, the time has come for fresh blood.

Period.

There is supposed to be pedestrian and bike access, and that should not be negotiable.

Apparently, according to someone there, Ari is Greek and short for Aristotle. That's my point though, it has nothing to do with anything, so why are they stuck on it? Apparently they seize on the name because they don't know what to do with his reasoning.

I find this stuff riveting. Can't understand why nobody else does. Irish legend states that their mound-building gods went west over the sea. How is that not interesting?

The cleveland.com comments so far focus on "what kind of a name is Ari, anyway?"

If he ever he runs for anything, I'm voting for Ari Maron.

Wandering off a bit... I had thought the Detroit casinos were to be concentrated just east of downtown along the river. These spread-out locations were temporary. If Detroit went back on its own plan, that's not Cleveland's fault. Gilbert should go complain to MGM and Motor City. He's right about them.

That's low-range but not super low for Lakewood. Not at all. This is why I like Lakewood so much. The only thing odd that it's a new building and I figured they would be hi-range. Check it out and let us know how it looks inside! I live in the downtown area, not far from Rosewood, and it's great. If I had to choose again I might go a little more east, to be near the concert places, but that's just me. All of Lakewood presents a good example of how the city used to function and what it would look like if fixed up.

The exact location of Rosewood is a little slow. It's mostly car dealerships around there. The nightlife is a few blocks west and the shopping is a few blocks east. None of this is a big deal distance-wise. Everything is still very close, and sometimes you don't necessarily want to live right by the bars.