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Seriously, I would stick with people I've known for several years. If one isn't available, I'd wonder if I could make it through my lease and find a 1br place after.

Getting off topic a bit, but I would love to hear where Jackson stands and what his plans are with regard to public safety and development. I've been giving him the "he's new" excuse for several years now and it no longer works. At this point I need to see something. I guess it's possible he's just upset about MMPI's decision because he had worked out that deal with the film people to use the old CC. So now he has to tell them we have something better to go there, but they'll love this wonderful structure out on 55th.

I can't nor is there concrete evidence that he is personally steering it to the FC site. If i've missed that somewhere please show me. Scroll up. He went to Chicago himself, primarily to pimp the FC site. He's been pushing it hard publicly since just before the "final" decision was made. I'd like you to show me where specifically he said he wants the FC site. Something about a search function. His statements weren't quite so naked as I've laid them out; what he said was he thought MMPI was making a big mistake to dismiss the (pro-FC) CofC report so easily. He highlighted all the time spent on it, a seemingly irrelevant and unhelpful detail at that point. I don't think he's that stupid. Given the timing of his leap into the spotlight, right when it was becoming apparent that FC would lose, I'm reading between the lines.

I can't nor is there concrete evidence that he is personally steering it to the FC site. If i've missed that somewhere please show me. Scroll up. He went to Chicago himself, primarily to pimp the FC site. He's been pushing it hard publicly since just before the "final" decision was made.

Everything else I could think of involved words like Captain and Master. UnBrick the Windows is one I considered, as well as The Bear, which is my poker playing name.

I don't know the answer to that, but it would be interesting if cities could restrict gun rights beyond state levels, but can't offer any greater protection against predatory lending. That's one area where state law reigns supreme. It wouldn't surprise me if the city had to honor state permits. Even then, it doesn't change the fact that you can't have a firearm in most businesses, so CC is highly impractical.

How did you do that? How did you quote from one thread into another? It doesn't take much first hand experience or inside knowledge to discover just how bad it is. But it's real bad. Some of the things I know I'm not able to disclose. Half the people in charge here need to be dragged onto public square and spanked. It's just tragic to think of all the lost potential, and how far we've fallen behind.

The deal is fiefdoms. The deal is keeping this segregated from that at all costs. And, part of the deal is open bribery. We have become so tolerant of conflicts of interest, secret meetings and shady land deals that we hardly remember what daylight looks like. This is something we need to stand and face and fight.

People don't want to deal with a real fire, but they enjoy the status symbol of the hearth. I'm guessing most of these rarely get turned on, even though they've made it so easy. Real is less important than image nowadays.

I've experienced some of these issues too. I don't want to get into specifics. But there is a leadership problem here, big time. When they keep coming from basically the same pool, due to the party-machine apparatus, it's fair to judge them on their long-term results... which are singularly awful. If this community leadership here were an NFL team, it would be time to "blow it up" and start over with new blood.

We should all just show up on the mall with shovels one day and start digging.

Birthday... I spent a long time trying to come up with something clever and I couldn't.

They're doing both. They may start on the next set of dorms, across from the new ed building, before the new student center is even done. But I compared on-campus prices with other options and it wasn't close at all. The U-Pass opens up a lot of cheaper housing in neighborhoods that are further along, in which car-free living is easier than it is downtown. It was cheaper for me to have a single apartment and buy one garbage car every year. You don't need a $10,000 car. I've never had one, actually. But the dorms aren't very economical because you're paying for maintenance and houskeeping whether you need it or not, and in many cases paying people to cook for you too. Having your own kitchen saves a ton of money.

Very. I always thought of it as a queer place where queer people come from, and I don't mean gay. There's just a special brand of weird that permeates East Toledo. But yes, great bars and architecturally very cool.

Agreed on all, especially about too many leaders. That's the root of most of our problems. We shouldn't be arguing back and forth about county this and city that.

OK the Japanese were less likely than normal people to surrender. Or to surrender fully in a way that loses all face. Something we could have accounted for in our overtures, which has been mentioned. Decency to the losers after WWI would probably have prevented Hitler's rise. We were the ones who told Japan to drop all that samurai stuff and become a modern power with an army and a navy and a sphere of influence. We could have let them down easier. China and SE Asia was the logical place for them to expand, so set the wheels in motion and KABOOM we just liberated China and SE Asia. You're welcome. Same with Kuwait. KABOOM you're liberated, even though we had practically green lighted the invasion ourselves. Everyone played games with Asia during the late colonial period, Europe and Russia and the US. The US played it differently by establishing, as near as possible, a direct proxy. Still have it. Hello Russian and Chinese coasts, would you like some sushi? Back to the bomb: terrible idea. First of all it's awkward, since we are still there and have a "special relationship" with Japan. Right now they remain constitutionally emasculated-- but imagine how pissed they'll be when they finally get over it, bearing in mind all those samurai traditions. Every cartoon they've made for 30 years involves some massive holocaust. It's bad form to disgrace a fallen enemy. Same reason some people don't consider the war between the states over with. But more importantly, NO, death isn't just death anymore. It's widespread lingering death, quite possibly the end of the world. They could have shot that thing off on a herd of goats for everyone to see and never crossed the line they did. But they did. And now there can't be another serious war. I saw an old Star Trek recently where these two planets changed their war into a computer simulation. Every day it told them how many people died, and each side marched those people into a gas chamber to die. This way they could avoid all the nasty side effects of war, like famine, expense, property loss, and the possible end of days. As a result their war had lasted for centuries and didn't seem so bad anymore. Making their war easier had made it much much worse. After smashing their computer, Captain Kirk pointed out that we humans know ourselves to be vicious murderers. We've done it every day of our existence and we may never stop. The most we can do is say today, just today, I am a killer but I won't kill. No promises about tomorrow. That's the way the world has to be now. We got too good at killing each other and the only way forward is to stop.

Don't know if this helps, but I remember reading about a report making a similar point that focused on Memphis. I want to say it was in Atlantic? I'm not sure. I think I saw it on Slate, so search those sites. Anyway-- they found that contrary to expectations, new social norms were not widely adopted by section 8 families in new higher-income neighborhoods. So it didn't help the families as much as anyone had hoped, and it hurt the areas they were put in. My take on that is OK maybe these expectations were a little high. But it's a process we need to go through sooner or later, so we might as well get it out of the way. Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette. The social norms in question (commotion, disarray, a different view of cops & robbers) didn't develop overnight, so they'll probably take decades to change. We do need to get to the other side of it though.

What we need are meta-threads. That way I could be confronted in a Civil War discussion with something I said about Thailand.

Lincoln had a much more benevolent reconstruction plan, but it went down when he did. How much further could they have gone, with the punishment? At that point, since the north had won, it would be like hitting yourself in the face. And it's not like everyone in the north was a passionate abolitionist or anything like that. Are we gonna need a new thread for every war? Apparently we all like to talk war history, but somebody needs to hurry up and build a building...

They didn't have nukes back then, but they did the best they could with Atlanta. That was pretty close to mass destruction. Could you imagine if the south had won Gettysburg and made it to NYC? :shoot:

It depends. A good friend of mine was accosted by a gunman (gun-kid) in front of our apartment building, and he smashed a beer bottle over the guy's head. Situation defused. The he saw the kid on the bus a few days later... how awkward. Point is, stranger things have happened than people successfully defending themselves. I don't recommend it 100% of the time, and EVD I would probably have done exactly what you did in that situation. But every time I've physically defended myself it's been the right move. Never faced a gunman before, at least not like that. I've had them pointed at me by strangers in cars and that's about it.

For them that asked, the thread started with debating whether the nukings were necessary. That's pretty much where it still sits. Pearl Harbor was not on US soil, it was an occupied territory halfway between US soil and Japan. Hawaii was a nation situated on a Pacific archipeligo (like Japan) which the US had recently overrun (like some other Pacific archipeligo nations during this period). Was it Japan or the US that had a fleet stationed halfway between the two nations? It was us. What happened between the US Civil War and Pearl Harbor? Did we ignore Japan? Did we give them free money and leave? Or did we mess with them incessantly, afraid to lose ground to the European powers who each had at least one Asian nation to call their own?

Have we noticed that everyone America fights turns out to be some sort of inhuman death cult? One that can't be reasoned with and has to be wiped out like smallpox? How do we keep finding these cults? First the Indians, then the Japs, the commies, now it's the Arabs. I'm just saying, it's been awfully convenient to keep finding these death cults over the years. Makes it look like we're never wrong. And I'm hard pressed to think of a nation or culture currently getting its butt kicked that doesn't "let" kids participate in its defense. As for throwing kids under tanks, there are smarter ways to bomb tanks and I'm sure the Japanese would have thought of them at some point. I'm not saying there was never any samurai or bushido tradition, or that it didn't have some of the implications described... but we can't use that as a moral blank check.

Modified a bit: "According to American tradition, there was no more honorable way to die than to do so for America and democracy, and the civilians were quite prepared to take this philosophy to heart." It's easy to make humans sound like mindless killer bees in the context of defending their homeland. But the same thing would happen if we were invaded. Conquering anyone long-term is rough work because people don't like being conquered. Extending the logic: if we have nukes in 1942, do we need to nuke Berlin?

Estimates are by definition... estimates, so I don't understand how you can be so certain of your numbers. There is also significant evidence suggesting that Pearl Harbor was no surprise. Is that liberal revisionism as well? What about our pre-WWII history of relations with Japan? Were they shelling LA or were we shelling Edo? Is it fatally liberal to even bring that up?