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No, that's the projects.

Music is part of culture too. If Ohio has one defining sound, it's probably the hippie jam band style that came out of Columbus in the early 90s. Many bands in other Ohio cities have adopted the sound, and outside of maybe Pittsburgh, I don't think it's as prevalent elsewhere. You won't find much in Detroit, for example, as they have their own unique style up there. The Ohio-style jam band tends to use more instruments than the typical jam band, and more eclectic ones. It has more jazz fusion than a DMB or Greatful Dead sound, and it's closer to bluegrass than to anything else. The lead singers tend to be in a lower register. Examples include Ekoostik Hookah, the Recipe, and the Shantee from central Ohio; Good Brother Earl, and Jones for Revival from the Youngstown area. Obviously, Ohio has tons of bands spanning all styles, but this one seems to be the most typical.

These wouldn't be like that though, not necessarily.

I didn't know they could be wired for that. Very cool. These were normally commercial billboards?

There are limits to how much conflict is OK. Enforce it too much and nobody can do anything, but we can't have outright self-dealing. That's like the 15-yard personal foul conflict of interest. FCE's influence on GCP's selection of FCE's property had a scent of self-dealing, even if it didn't quite rise to that level. The line between news and propaganda has wavered for years. GCP has an agenda. The PD is supposed to have its own. Even if the articles come out even-handed over time (which I think they have), an appearance of impropriety is still there. Would we want the PD publisher on the Sewer District board? Could we expect honest appraisals of what goes on there, if he were?

It's a small town, there aren't enough people they could ask to be on these boards. That's why the 10-15 capable individuals who live around Cleveland have to wear many hats.

Commute was silky smooth today! See, you complain on this site and somebody makes things happen.

They're working on Gordon Square though, bright and early every morning. Detroit should be decent once it's all two lanes. Franklin is surprisingly fast from 85th.

I thought it was Moe-nacka. I've heard both.

Good point. Euclid Corridor was three years, and there's more action on it now than there was before. This will hurt a lot more than one street though. They need to get things back to capacity on the other bridge routes, or the west side is screwed and so is downtown. As soon as they finish-- blow that thing up. The new one could be really nice if they want it to be. Let's buy some steel.

That is what should be there. That's the best idea for it yet. Better than industry, if they can get everything cleaned up instead. It would have to be a serious cultural gardens extension. No grassy weed fields, ODOT loves those.

Glad they're having a meeting. I hope they post the reports somewhere. Those arguments about TC being enclosed are good ones. But they want us to trade restoration and new development for some winter conventions. It doesn't sound like a great tradeoff. How is that disasterous if it's only in the winter? Conventions here in this weather will be rare regardless of the site. They do this for a living. I wouldn't expect many bookings at TC when they could put people somewhere else where outside isn't an issue. They weren't talking about either site vs Las Vegas or Miami right now. Also no mention of the new train station, linking the mall site with the lake. I hope that's being considered part of the overall plan. Then the mall is also linked indoors via train to TC, and the flats, and the airport. Everybody gets everything they want.

A later last call would help, but no, cities can't do their own liquor laws. Your rights to sell various things at various times are all based on your license type. There are dozens of them but none with a later last call. It would be interesting if cities could change those, or if they could at least have defined zones with looser restrictions. Open container too. Prohibition started in Ohio and came from the countryside. That countryside is still in power. The big cities fought against prohibition. It was one reason they wanted home rule. They got it but only with state liquor control, so that the countryside could control that for everyone.

Yeah, thanks Palijandro.

I found some recent articles that show I was wrong about the suites (not that I didn't believe you, McCleveland :-)). My point about the land lease came from a pretty reliable source though, and it seems relevant to this project. When it's a decision that affects everyone, everyone should at least be able to evaluate it. Not just the county's crack team. That way we can all make an informed decision how to vote next time.

Man-oo-ay. And Campbell, a suburb of Youngstown, is pronounced Camel. Farrell, just across the PA border near Sharon, is pronounced Furl. I think alcohol may have been involved.

I think that's Jackson's point, whether he's stated it that clearly or not. But I don't know if it's wise to keep using this bridge long enough to build another one. There's a new problem almost weekly now. We might just be stuck with a ridiculous and unrealistic scenario.

People comment on them here, scroll up & be cool.

Yesterday in the snow I absolutely averaged 5 mph for 90 minutes. So did most of the people I know.

Again, 1.5 hours is the high end of the range, only when there's new snow like yesterday. I had a meeting at CSU with a guy who needed 2 hours to get in from Tremont that day, so yesterday isn't really representative. On a "normal day" now: My car never goes past 3rd gear from 117th till I've passed the sewer work, and 3rd gear is very very rare. About 45% of the trip is in 1st and 45% in 2nd gear through the affected area. The average speed is about like 10 or 15, but that's when I'm moving and there's a lot of time spent not moving at all. I'm not doing some big spreadsheet right now just to figure it out.

It hasn't taken me 25 minutes for several weeks now. 25 minutes would be spectacular. I'm usually going from central Lakewood to the far end of downtown, off the innerbelt. Differences in origin and destination will impact our times. Bottom line is, I'm not hallucinating.

It's 1.5 on the worst days, with weather contributing. On the occasional best day, like MLK day, it's as normal. The average now is about 45 to an hour, so that's 3x or 4x normal. What route did you suggest? The one Musky suggested that you referenced was an outbound route, which isn't needed. Taking 490 to 77 in the morning would add enough miles that, combined with the existing backups on 77 and my exact destination downtown, would be very unlikely to be any faster in the morning. I appreciate your concern but creative navigation won't solve this. I can't speak for what the shoreway looks like outside the 8-9 peak hour, because that's when I use it. If your friend isn't experiencing gridlock from 117 on in at this hour, I would like to get on his or her vibration, whatever it is. What I've described is witnessed by hundreds if not thousands of people every morning. I've seen it take a very long time for people on the south side of Clifton to exit their driveways. You guys act like I'm making this up and I don't know what else to tell you.

Buses suffer the same delay cars do, and only a small portion of Lakewood is serviced by the rapid. Not my portion. Remember: Lakewood was designed to have 3 trolley lines all the way across it and those are gone. Carpooling would help this, but it would have to be a lot of people carpooling. With my crazy schedule carpooling isn't all that practical, and our hypothetical carpool car would still have to use the same gridlocked routes. I am actively seeking an apartment closer to downtown. As I mentioned before, this is life-changing traffic, and it has devalued Lakewood for me considerably. The answer to this would have been to maintain sufficient capacity for the load, just like you would for an electrical circuit or a blood vessel. At this point all we can do is try not to exacerbate it until one of these projects is finished.

So let me get this right. It's not that my route and suggestion don't work it's convenience that you're arguing? I'm downtown for 15 hours a day sometimes. I often get home around 9 or 10pm, sometimes later. If you think changing a 15 minute morning commute to 1.5 hours is merely a convenience issue... you probably enjoy flogging yourself.

That doesn't address the issue, unfortunately. There's never a problem leaving downtown. Outbound roads in every direction from there branch into additional roads, which is ideal. This structure has the opposite effect in the morning, which is the only time these backups take place. Clifton starts as just Clifton. Then it picks up people from 117th, who presumably came down from 90. Then it picks up people from West Blvd, most of whom come from 90. Then it picks up all of Lake Avenue. The reverse version of the path you described (involving 490/77) is my next backup plan, but it's ridiculously out of route for what was once a 15 minute trip.