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Shuttered Cleveland movie houses targeted for restoration by Michael O’Malley/Plain Dealer Reporter December 22, 2008 Cleveland neighborhood development groups on opposite sides of town are working to save and restore two old movie theaters: the La Salle on East 185th Street and the Variety on Lorain Avenue at West 118th Street. .. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/12/shuttered_cleveland_movie_hous.html One of the cleveland.com posters mentioned that the Moreland Theater on Buckeye is also being renovated.

If they're that concerned about the cost of deepening channels all the way past Detroit, then don't. Make Ohio the main port!

I don't think I'm unfairly demonizing him. It's not that he gives speeches about the evil of trains; he doesn't. It's that his tepid, passive-aggressive statements about rail expansion are counterintuitive given the circumstances.

I keep reading this, but do you have any facts to back this up?? I'd encountered it so many times myself I thought it was a given. I'll do some poking around and see what comes up. I recall some statistics or survey data he advanced in arguing that people prefer riding buses over trains, and how the capital investment in trains is so prohibitive. There was a significant kerfluffle on here about those claims. Edit: If you want to find something, use your search feature! :roll:

Now it's funny how little prominence that brand has and, even more so, the jackets. They sell them in KMart now, I believe. They had that creepy commercial where Jerry Van Dyke danced around whispering "Starter" at the camera.

Some of the projects we're wanting are getting done in other metro areas. It isn't as hard for everyone to get tracks laid as it is for us. There's a whole thread to rub our faces in it. I agree that the problem is primarily at the state level, not locally. But it can't help when our local #1 guy is so openly opposed to rail. It also doesn't help that our area is so politically fractured that 5 miles of train goes through 5 jurisdictions, at least one of which is guaranteed to be racist and to equate train stations with hell-gates.

If asbesots ruin is the current condition, then this is one heck of an improvement.

A classmate made an almost identical argument to me the other day. He's writing a book about it, one that you just summarized fairly well. He also manages his family's trust fund and went to college on a track scholarship. Doesn't think any of that had anything to do with his being able to "save small amounts" over the years. As someone mentioned above, there is a "let them eat cake" undertone to this line of thought. It's as if anyone who's poor is some charicature of Dionysian wastefulness, and they're fools too because the road out of their struggles is so darn simple. All four billion of us are glad to hear that. I have a different theory. The reason for the huge disparity is that it increasingly takes money to make money. The economic value attached to each individual at birth, that of an able body and an untrained mind, has dropped considerably throughout our lifetimes. In other eras, the marketable value on that "free" capital was how so many people were able to move out of the lower classes. The value of worldy goods, be it real estate or cash or whatever, has risen during the same time frame. I don't think you're accounting for the additional costs our society places on not having X amount of money at the moment you need it. For people with cash flow issues, even if they live spartanly and save diligently, these Whammys in the game of life keep their piles from getting all that big. I'm talking about charges that better-off clients or customers or victims don't have to pay. There's statistics on that too. Very few people are making 70k-80k grand without considerable education. That capital may have been as free to them as their body and mind, or it may have been acquired through an arrangement in which none of that spillover money you speak of reaches them for the first 30 years of their career. This is often true of people making 30k-50k as well. Without middle class blue collar jobs, less and less capital will ever be controlled by people who don't start with any.

^ You have got to be kidding. OK fine, there's no mess at all. My point is that Bush did a good thing today. The people of Ohio and surrounding states have reason to thank him.

For me it's another reason to view him as being more practical than he's made out to be. He made a similar counter-partisan move during his first term, by supporting high steel tariffs to prevent a collapse. It worked. Bush has usually stopped just short of letting his ideology drive him off a cliff. Iraq is still a mess, but at least he changed his strategy in time to settle it down some before he leaves. I had a feeling he'd eventually throw a bone to Detroit. Like Churchill said of America, Bush does the right thing after all other options are exhausted.

I share your opinion on this one, but lowering their wages seems downright destructive compared to raising others' wages, if you want to deal with the disparity. If it weren't for union wages creating a solid top end of the blue collar scale, all manufacturing wages, and presumably all similarly-skilled service wages, would be sustantially lower than they already are. Part of the problem for unions is that so many of today's workers don't fit under 1930s labor and employment laws. Many worker and wage protections only apply to hourly, non-administrative, non-manegerial employees. There are a lot less of those, proportionally, than there once were, and that has benefited corporations a great deal. The labor and employment laws need to be rewritten to give modern service/administrative workers some leverage.

Would you like to see Toledo again? Get a good look now. I can't think of a place more Chrysler-dependent. Imagine Carty Finkbeiner having a MDA-style telethon to pay for gas to keep frozen pipes from destroying the Seagate Tower.

Suppose it's Chrysler. That's the most likely one to go. Thirty plants involved, and someone else may be interested in picking up 2-3 at most. If it's GM or Ford, they'll undoubtably close their own corresponding plants, so you're still looking at 30 plants going down. Each of those 30 plants supports one community, whether it's a small town or a portion of a larger metro area. Each of those 30 communities gets wiped out. Only then do we begin to measure the effects of the suppliers that have to close as well. There goes another couple dozen communities, give or take. I don't care if that's done "orderly" or not, it's disasterous. If there is no possible way to keep all of the big 3 open, we need direct government investment in those plants to keep them running and employing roughly the same number of people. Who cares what they're making, have them make Bush statutes of solid iron. The point is to keep dollars flowing into and around those stricken communities.

A merger would involve a lot of redundancy and plant closings. If that is to happen, I hope we can at least repurpose the plants quickly. They should be looking toward preserving community stability when they do whatever they're going to do.

I think a lot of them do get that, they just have no more power over it than anybody else. I'm not happy about all the boomer dominance either. In many ways I'd prefer to have come up with them (music better, cars cooler, looser laws, etc) but we get what we get. And what we get is hit over the head, for 20 years, with boomer nostalgia while they're busy making everything very different from how they remember it and crappier too.

Many people choose to live near the shoreway because of the speedy trip to downtown. That includes people in Cleveland proper and people who take the bus. 50 mph arterials work fine elsewhere. Realistically, people walk on streets where cars are doing 50 all the time. Big buildings happen on these streets too, although Chester seems to be zoned for McMansions. Pedestrian bridges can solve crossing problems, but it's not like there aren't lights and crosswalks already. The shoreway fills a needed function as it is. Chester fills a similar function on the east side, although not quite as effectively. People new to it sometimes express surprise that its so aggressively 35, particularly when it's the only cut-through in its area. A faster Chester would make it easier to get around the east side, which is a common complaint. Slow on Euclid makes sense, partially because Chester exists. Most of Chester would have to be completely repurposed before much pedestrian traffic develops there anyway. As much as I love transit, it isn't always practical. Cleveland has a long way to go before much car-free living is truly plausible here. A more welcoming car trip between downtown and UC (welcoming meaning fast and hassle-free) will help develop both, which in turn will help develop the corridor in between. Making it more annoying to drive in a place doesn't necessarily encourage transit use or development there. Edit: about the ramps, I agree with CBC. Ramps are too much, they foreclose any development wherever they sit.

Chester and the west shoreway should both be 50 MPH. We absolutely positively should not make it difficult to get into Cleveland, or to get around within it. The number of no-turn-on-reds should be reduced as well. There should be none of them on the new shoreway. Wholly independent of transit vs. cars, policies that restrict traffic flow beyond expected norms are drags on residential growth and tourism. They create a sense of entrapment. Just let people go.

I've never heard of this guy either, and I'm less than enthused. Seems like a very odd place to put a Republican. On the other hand, the article hints that this strategy may be the only way to get transit priorities through congress. Although that's only if one infers "transit" from "other infrastructure projects." It's becoming apparent that mass transit is not going to be a priority at all, and I hope I'm wrong about that. I can't think of one mention so far, and this guy here is not a good sign.

Let's not forget the rise of patchouli, the hippie stench. It smells like a homeless person doused with industrial solvents.

Better safe than sorry. If low pressure is what raises the risk of contamination, and I had low pressure this morning, I don't see why the boil alert stops at 117th. I can wait a night for tapwater. Unfortuanately I'm one of the few people who still drinks tapwater. I frequently make fun of people for buying bottled water, and they're all laughing at me now.

We have a microwave and that's about it. I'm still drinking coffee that was made downstairs this morning... should I be? Coffee gets pretty hot when they're making it.

They recently announced that water is back on in my building, but they suggested that we boil it first for the rest of the day.

I'm afraid I don't get the reference. Nose? Butts? Hopefully its a metaphor. Can you expand on this?

I hope this doesn't mean Walmart will be the last man standing. That has been their plan all along.

I just looked at the lakefront plan drawing and they do envision a lot of new development along the converted road. They also disagree with ODOT about how bad the traffic on it would get. I've never seen traffic there get backed up westbound. Eastbound can get bad in the morning, with Lake, Clifton, and West Blvd from the south all bottlenecking into the shoreway. Westbound it's the opposite effect, one road becomes three and everyone's happy.