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Which is why it should have stuff.

Because perceptions of outlying neighborhoods are even worse than those of downtown. I don't agree with many of these perceptions, and you don't appear to either, but I think it's measurable how many people do agree with them and need to be won over. I'm all for using DCA ambassadors instead. They could accomplish the same essential function while being less threatening than police.

I don't mind the orange seats as much as I dislike the Q. Its droopy top clashes with the clean lines of everything around it, particularly of the ballpark. The Browns stadium is just mediocre and generic. Come to think of it, I like the orange seats. Wouldn't blocking the wind, even a little, be more effective than heating it? The air inside those shelters is anything but static.

I agree with palijandro-- more visible police presence is needed. I commend any suburbanites who don't see a problem. If all of them felt the same way downtown would be better off. Accurate or not, there's a widespread perception of downtown not being safe at night. There are many accounts on other UO threads, coming from pro-downtown individuals, of scary situations taking place with no help in sight. The majority reaction from girls who attend CSU is "You walk down Euclid at night? No way would I do that, ever." It's obviously not a unanimous sentiment but I'd call it a consensus. The view that additional police visibility would make people feel less safe... I disagree, and I think your reasoning would work better in a setting people generally considered safe to begin with, like for example the mall in Strongsville. If cops were suddenly all over it, people might wonder what's going on. But there's nothing odd or out of place about police walking the beat on downtown streets. It's a pretty normal scene. A downtown street completely deserted at night is not so normal.

I was also thinking about the new shelters around the square and on superior, which are of the same design but with only one door. The effect of the wall-gaps is more noticable in those. The actual Euclid stations, with openings facing each other, seem designed to focus wind on their occupants. I'm not sure what to do about this. Maybe there could be free-standing walls, wider than the east and west doors and standing parallel maybe a couple feet beyond them, with just enough clearance to meet ADA. Maybe these walls could have convex surfaces facing outward, to steer wind around the shelters.

This is the first thing anyone brings up when making conversation at a healthline stop. Nobody can make sense of it. The walls don't meet up. They're not even close to fitting the frames. It comes off like a cruel joke on days like today. How much would it cost to send guys up and down the street with some spray-foam cans and shelterize these shelters? If that's too much, how bout silver duct tape?

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner X, I still don't know where their meadery is and I'm short on contact info to find out. A mutual friend told me its somewhere along High to the far north, like towards Delaware.

Holy crap I love simcity. I can disappear for days at a time playing a 1995 version on playstation one.

Many many people view E14th as a freeway ramp extension, and they feel like their right to turn left there shall not be abridged.

I must have missed it earlier. Still good news, because several businesses along that stretch have closed in the past 6 mos. Music store, Cleats, bridal/tailor shop. I can never tell if that cereal place is open or not. Nice to see something locally unique going in. If only Five Guys was "local" or "unique." :wink: I see what you did there. Ironically I wish it were a bar going in that spot. I know, Lakewood has plenty already... but not in this immediate area, which already has an abundance of fast food options. That's my corner and I want a corner bar. While we're talking about Lakewood & Lakewood housing, a friend of a friend recently proposed that Birdtown be leveled and replaced with modern attached-garage houses on larger lots. He also proposed a Lakewood "small business council" that could veto any idea if they considered it unlikely to succeed long-term. I can't even begin to list the ways I disagree, but I thought these suggestions were funny enough to mention.

I haven't seen units in either one, but I've heard more good things about the Statler.

Cliche or not, that is one chilling photo.

I think there's room for X and I to both be right. The goals he stated are all absolutely critical, but none are mutually exclusive with better design standards or better zoning. And it seems like those could be taken care of with relative ease. As for business development, demonstrating our class and taste through the built environment seems like an important strategy. We need to put our best foot forward. Cleveland has a lot of open space, so it needs a lot of new buildings. If the buildings we put up are notably low-end in their appearance, it can't help but impact decisions about locating here.

Fair enough. I just think rock is participative above all else, and the "ooo look at this" experience the rock hall provides does little to keep that alive, in an age where bands can't find work and everyone would rather listen to prerecorded robot sounds when they go out. Kids no longer get real guitars for christmas, they get nintendo games that vaguely simlulate playing guitar.

The rock hall diluted their own brand with an awful building, a poorly chosen site, and the wrong approach overall. They went with a visual/fashion focus and missed the entire point of the art form they are supposed to celebrate. Their induction choices make clear that they have zero clue of what rock is about or who it speaks to. As for the museum itself, the experience should have been more participative. You should be able to get instrument lessons there just about any time. You should be able to join in jam sessions with complete strangers on instruments provided by the rock hall. It should have had an attached bar with non-stop karaoke. There should have been a performance venue attached as well, and the rock hall should have made itself the premier concert setting in Cleveland. Instead the place is built around mannequins that highlight clothing choices made by people who practiced an auditory art form. I'm not sure how they could have missed the point any more than they did. All style, no substance. It's a shame they can't scrap the building and start over, but the least they could do is change the tone and get some guitars in peoples' hands.

I don't get out much. To what extent are these materials used in key areas of other cities? I've seen non-Cleveland UO members make fun of how much siding we have vs. how little brick. I don't know if a study has been done or will ever be done, but my sense is that our proportions are way off-kilter in favor of cheap materials. I don't think that will help us over the next 20 years as we argue that we aren't significantly more poor than other cities. Not only do we need to keep up with the Joneses, we have ground to make up. This situation calls for a siding ban-- immediately.

Many folks on this thread seem overly concerned with how the skin of the this building is going to look, rather than considering the function. So long as it functions well, as Avogadro discusses, I've no issue if the building itself just fades to the background. @3231 What do you mean by 'there's no place for siding downtown? There is already siding on Parker Hannifin & Ave Dstrct. How is hardiboard siding any different than facade brick or stone, or granite for that matter? They are all natural materials and they are all purely for decoration. I don't get it. I take issue with vinyl solely b/c of the overly toxic manufacturing cycle, though I did have it installed on my home b/c it was 1/10 the price of hardiboard w/ little difference in long term durability/maintenance. Despite the positives it may offer, vinyl certainly looks cheaper than brick or stone-- even if the brick or stone is fake. I doubt anyone thinks first of vinyl or this hardiboard stuff when they think of an attractive downtown streetscape. This project is directly across from the Mather Mansion. It doesn't seem to be a good fit for what was once millionaires' row, or for what we're trying to develop as our once and future showpiece street. If one is going for decoration, why would one use blank grey/beige surfaces that resemble cardboard or styrofoam? Brick and stone have much more textural richness. I think there's such a wide gulf in the aeesthetics of the two options that I'm disappointed they haven't banned siding for downtown and Euclid Ave. To me it's a no-brainer.

I must have missed it earlier. Still good news, because several businesses along that stretch have closed in the past 6 mos. Music store, Cleats, bridal/tailor shop. I can never tell if that cereal place is open or not. Nice to see something locally unique going in.

Sometime this past weekend, Five Guys Burgers & Fries put a "Coming Soon" sign in the window of that former party store at Detroit and Gladys.

I didn't see a better thread for this: University Lofts on Euclid just west of 21st appears to be moving forward. They now have signage up with a rendering and equipment is parked on site. Sorry no camera. So that's at least 4 projects currently underway at/near CSU: student center, education building, parking deck on prospect, and this. The new dorms would make 5 projects, which ain't bad for the current climate.

I think everybody has something they won't buy cheap versions of, even when times are tough. For some it's clothes, others coffee or beer, whatever. But mass market stuff exists for a reason. We still live in that kind of age. Maybe it's always been that kind of age. People will find their niche stuff. So the more niche stuff we have in the general area, the better. But the everyman stuff is foundational and downtown had a lot more of it 10-15 years ago. I think retail like we had in the early 90s would would bring an even bigger wave of residential, including that new residential skyline along Euclid that's supposedly brewing.

Speak for yourself! LOL You know what I mean... downtown residents need a place to get mundane staple goods, things the average person is likely to need often. Cheap office attire comes to mind. Prestige stores and items are of secondary importance until the basics are in place.

Walk from public square to CSU and back, roughly 5x per week.

I've seen improvements in the timing too.

"Hello, police dispatch? This is citizen 327. I called the other day about a crackhead living in my vestibule, and you were like whatever? Remember? Well I'm calling today to speak with you about your attitude. Grab your cigarettes, this'll take awhile..." I'll get right on that.