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Here's another one... It shouldn't be WestLAKE when it's not on the lake. And these 5000+ cities that insist on the keeping the village moniker. It's officially the City of Bay Village and the City of Orange Village. They've done this, literally, because they're turned off by the word city.

Don't worry, I did the same thing. Someone kindly deleted it. The PD fooled everybody by reposting their own story from last night. I'm glad the county has the foresight to wait out this deal. I have a feeling they (we) are still going to take a big loss. But K&D's plan is a best case scenario for the site, as long as they don't tear down anything on Euclid.

What about Stark's plan to build out E 14th & Prospect?

Are the 7s and 9s dropping at the curb downtown? I still don't get how they can use all the stations, with their right-only doors.

I think the old Copperweld complex in Warren is underutilized too. Parts of it might be too far gone at this point, but other parts are still kicking. One issue with the really old factory buildings is that their docks don't work well with modern trucks. The bays aren't deep enough and I think there's a height issue too. We aren't in a position yet to get everything in and out by rail, which is what those buildings were originally designed for.

Awesome. Fully aware of the irony, I think we could use a lot more world class signage around here. Barrages of lit up signs are an aspect of urban scenery that we're currently short on.

We may need to partner with someone like Bombardier, but I completely agree that the work should be done here. We have the capacity and the skilled labor to do it. This region has the best possible setup to start cranking out all things rail. The match is so perfect, as is the timing. I don't know of any completely unused ex-auto plants. The former White plant on E140 comes to mind. It's being converted to piecemeal industrial uses, but I'm sure they'd love for a giant tenant to move in. There are plenty of vacant industrial properties sitting around. As for what specific machines would be needed for railcar construction, I have no idea. But we can get them. They're probably already in NE Ohio.

That looks cool.

My Town? Michael Stanley?

Very pumped about this project.

Who's complaining about Murray Hill? It does have that NY problem though, good catch. Re: Battery Park, that's what I mean. Battery factory site + NY has a place called Battery Park. A play on the same word having different meanings. I did look them up, and McCleveland's explanation of Gateway is the best I've heard. That said, my issue with it remains. It's to the south, and the only way you're approaching downtown from the south is on 77. I never understood why they called the sports complex that. It's right off the main square of town. Maybe if one thinks of Tower City as the core of cores, Ontario and lower Prospect do lead into it. I am definitely overthinking this.

It's a slow news day.

The proposed "panther district" got me thinking about some of the awkward place names we already have in Cleveland. Some old, some new. Is anyone else bothered by these? Any better ideas? How would one go about reforming a place name? These in particular jump out at me: Historic Warehouse District-- Indistinct and has nothing to do with the area's current use. Everyone has a warehouse district and Cleveland has dozens. And is it necessary to say "historic?" It's forced. It comes off like "The" Ohio State University, maybe worse. Gateway-- To what? To I-77? It's a core section of downtown, in some ways THE core. Calling it a gateway makes no sense. Is this what it was called before the south end of downtown disappeared? Even then, it still doesn't make much sense. Oh, and I believe it's technically the "Historic" Gateway District. If people can't tell that by looking at it, they aren't going to care. Goodrich-Gannett-Kirtland/Payne-Sterling/St Clair-Superior/Asiatown/Chinatown/QuARTer-- Come on. We've got to pick one and pick one now. We also need to not pick QuARTer because that's asinine. I realize the section called "St Clair-Superior" is technically east of 55th, but I'm very nerdy and don't realistically expect people to figure that out. "Asiatown" may be accurate but sounds embarassingly PC. I'm willing to bet other cities have significant SE Asian diversity in what they call Chinatown. "Asiatown" implies everything from the Middle East over, which is perhaps less accurate than calling it Chinatown. Detroit Shoreway-- Most cities have streets named after nearby destinations, but few seem to name their own neighborhoods in that manner, even when such a street passes through. It's inherently confusing. Casual references to it will forever be forced to specify "in Cleveland," which is clunky and doesn't help in establishing nationwide recognition for the neighborhood. Battery Park-- It's. A. Pun. Not only is it a pun, it commits the cardinal sin of referencing a larger, better known neighborhood in a larger, better known city. This robs it of independent identity and locks it into #2 status. Old Brooklyn/South Brooklyn/Brooklyn Center-- Senseless. By all accounts, Brooklyn Center is older than Old Brooklyn (aka South Brooklyn). Why did we stop calling the Pearl/Memphis area Brighton, as in Brooklyn-Brighton bridge? That actually makes sense and facilitates identification. Also, see above regarding names of larger, better known entities. I'm guessing the township was originally called Brooklyn because it was similarly across the water from the main settlement, but that doesn't make it right. Avenue District-- What does that even mean? It's a place with streets? Avenues abound everywhere! What does this term have to do with the site or the development? It's meta-generic. "North" fill in the blank-- If there's no south Royalton, Ridgeville, Randall, Olmstead... why say north? It implies more balkanization than we already have. North Coast-- I've covered this before, but it just doesn't work for me. To the extent that it is a "coast," it's a tertiary one, and people can't rationally be expected to hold it on par with the other two. Asking them to do so strains credulity. Uptown/the Heights-- I find that "Uptown" is a convenient way to refer to the greater University Circle area, including that near section of Cleveland Heights and probably Shaker Square too. Maybe parts of Glenville and East Cleveland. But nothing east of Lee. Now that the Uptown project is going up at Euclid/Mayfield, the term seems less useful in describing the whole area. I'd prefer it caught on. It seems common for cities call their secondary downtown area Uptown. It also works well with the fact that we already have a Midtown. It's a lot more efficient and inclusive than "University Circle" (where exactly is the circle? do they mean that roundabout?). Euclid/Old/Colonial arcades-- Inherently confusing, since two are joined and all 3 are on Euclid. And the Old Arcade deserves a nicer name.

cortlandgirl, interesting stuff. With so many people here skilled in the machine trades, it makes no sense to me that we would let it all go in the space of one generation. What a ridiculous waste of human capital. No economic theory could sensibly condone that. We need to revitalize heavy industry here and do it quickly. The whole country needs new infrastructure and that used to be our speciality.

They got most if not all of their regular pay. And tuition assistance.

Another panther tie-in: The word Erie is short for Erielhonen which is Iriquois for panther. The Erie tribe worshipped a panther god that lived under the lake. It's been suggested that the alligator mound in Granville is really a cat, and possibly a representation of that god. Just saw the video, couldn't watch it at work. I don't think this guy was referencing that, or football. I don't understand why he can't do the apartments without the racetrack. Take that and the mall out, and it's not a bad idea. Then the waterfront line would go somewhere. The city may lose the parking lot revenue, but that's an awful place for a parking lot and a great one for housing.

Getting a job at (Delphi)Packard in Warren means winning the lottery. There actually is a lottery, and having a family connection just gets you entered in it. A friend who worked there told me he spent his last months there (before layoff) in something called the "job bank," which entailed clocking in, playing chess and waiting for something to come up. It never did. His impression was that the job bank had been management's idea, as a comparatively cheap concession that reinforced classic arguments against the union.

^^Is that part of Kirtland park?

Salute to KC for having Catch 22 in there. Also Farenheit 451. They need Slaughterhouse 5 to complete the pattern.

I'm probably voting no, even though I support gambling. Of all the plans floated for Ohio this seems like the worst. Awful location & setup. It seems like a bad deal for the gov't. There should never be just one owner. Let's do it right or not do it till we can. We should make sure the government gets the largest possible cut. I'd be cool with the state owning them. At least that way no individual is profiting off of others' losses.

I don't think a casino would be bad for the site at all. Good freeway access, synergy with Thistledown, potential blue line extension. It beats the heck out of Wilmington.

He would be crushed to hear that. I'm getting us off topic, but I'd take average 80s sitcom over average now sitcom any day. They're less bad.

Night Court wasn't.

Thanks for the info.

Truly amazing. Not only did they want to build their own ugly suburban box, they wanted to impose similar thinking on everyone around them. Keeping Eaton would have been a net loss for the city.