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They sure aren't clamoring for Flats development.

"Macy’s closures will ultimately be a good thing for many malls and customers..." Jesus, the mental gymnastics with that statement.

Personally I think Haslem is playing games and wants to start running down the Modell clock. Six months and, when/if Cleveland can't find a billionaire to buy the Browns, he's allowed to move them to London, Toronto, San Antonio, Austin, St. Louis, wherever, all of whom would give him a 10-figure sweetheart deal. All this noise is just posturing so that the grifter can blame Cleveland, Cuyahoga, the state, and the taxpayers for giving him no choice but to move the team to an entirely new market. Just my suspicion.

If it brings in acts that wouldn't otherwise come, downtown isn't harmed in any way. If it does cannibalize events that would have gone downtown, maybe the Q and Wolstein arena lose some business. And since this won't be a self-contained universe because Jimmyland sure as s**t isn't happening beyond a stadium - if that is actually built - Cleveland ancillary businesses will still see benefits from the tourists. They gotta eat and stay somewhere, and Brookpark stripclubs' menus are limited.

Don't successful downtown stores require a large daytime workforce population in conjunction with a city at x size with y household incomes in conjunction with z annual tourists? Someone has to buy the goods. I know urbanohio talks about downtown 10,000+ population proudly, but let's presume they're generally late 20-early 40s full time employees. That slims the free hours for traditional shopping. Indy has thrice the Cleveland population, with much less poverty, yet is still struggling (as are virtually all US cities) due to changing shopping habits, discretionary income falling, crime/perceptions for retail theft, etc. I just don't see any likelihood of Tower City, really the Avenue, gaining tenants save for some urban junk. And I save my snark for Browns/grifters' boards. These concerns are more straightforward since I miss the 90s Avenue and wish there could be some kind of modern version.

So if something happened at Burke, let's say methane gases began to emit from the landfill at unsafe levels, and it was unusable for a period of time, Hopkins wouldn't be allowed to operate?

Burke shouldn't go anywhere unless there are committed and signed developers and tenants. No more we-build/hype-it-and-they-will-come, oh-s**t-they-never-came, projects. Burke serves a purpose - well, presumably, who really knows - and a concrete plan needs to be established before downtown loses another large entity. Also, no Phase 1 through Phase... well, generally, they seem to stop at 1. Those phases have got to be locked in so we aren't left with yet another invisible Neiman Marcus, Civic Vision 2000, Warehouse District Project, real casino, lakefront outlet mall, Tower City Blockchain paradise, Nucleus, Medical Mart, etc, etc, etc. God we've spent so many hours (days? years?) discussing those dead projects that never got beyond Phase 0 or 1. It's exhausting.

Those incidents are horrific but I don't think they're going to affect would-be renters and homebuyers there. The chaos would really have to scale up.

I don't think people supposedly afraid of downtown will be any more inclined to take the Greyhound with the relocation

Can't hurt but the selling prices, at least in desirable areas, still need a dramatic drop for sellers to unload

The STJ pork is an embarrassment, especially with Megabus ending operations, but i recall there were significant space challenges for a Greyhound relocation.

I disagree. There's an actual confirmed tenant in that area with a rebuild of the station. None of the bulls**t fluff from those Jimmyworld presentations, but rather a provable, revenue-deliverable tenant. We have to cheer all the real wins, not the vague and generally broken promises.

At least it's away from the projects; I can't imagine the riffraff will migrate to Brookpark. And I'm glad the Greyhound isn't closing completely, which was always a big concern. Plus it's not like RTA cares if people pay to get on the red line, so travelers will have a free trip. Call it a soft win.

State and county being extorted isn't a sure thing yet. DeWine is no Pritzker, but maybe he'll locate one of his shriveled marbles and say F OFF to the grifters barring a profit-sharing agreement.

I believe it's spelled doomed.

Was the prompt to make the development as flat, dark and hard to properly gauge as possible? Christ I'm snarky today

Excuse me, but Jimmy and Dee have clearly thought out these "innovative funding mechanisms" that surely will lead to a massive ROI to the region. It's not like they have a bad track record of overpromising and breaking the law.

Between that messaging and the renderings, I think the AI craze is well behind schedule. No wonder tech has had a bear run. And that last sentence is pretty funny. "Hey Dee, they can't possibly be this braindead, can they?"

"PS: F-k you"

You're saying a majority of Muni fans are visibly present in Cleveland eateries and other downtown attractions on game day? I'll look for studies and data validating that theory; my initial thoughts is, in my experience, the opposite is true.

I know what you mean, but don't fully agree. It's like Eaton moving to Beachwood. It's still in the region and identified as a Cleveland company (or maybe Irish, I dunno), but E9/Euclid sure feels barren these days.

Losing the Browns a second time is still a bummer, especially if public subsidies are involved with this nonsense in Brookpark. Give us a few days (even if at times contradictory) to react.

As an alternative, perhaps the stadium would be best kept, refurbished, and repurposed. Barcelona and Bejing have succesfully adapted old stadiums, and the lakefront project still needs a major, visible anchor tenant before any of these fairy tale developments begin. Bush stadium in Indianapolis changed from a traditional stadium to car lot to (presumably) expensive apartments. Maybe that's what Browns stadium could be. It would be cool as f to live there.

Downtown wasn't exactly booming during Browns home games. Why would it in Brookpark. Jiimmy isn't building s**t beyond the stadium, even if the stadium financing lines up. At least in Ohio.

I'm happy the city isn't playing ball with the criminal... but let's not act like this is something to celebrate. Given the right leadership, a stadium could have been the impetus or anchor for real development and not some piecemeal, Phase 1-10, multi-decade project. Now, in all likelihood, that area will be relatively empty for a very long time. Might as well be the midwest Oakland Coliseum. Plus all these resources in Brookpark will just be a waste. Wasted time, wasted materials, wasted hype, wasted discussion, wasted effort, and eventual disappointment. Beats kissing the ring, but it's not good news.