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“The additional events, and expected growth in live entertainment, are an economic opportunity for the entire region.” Imagine believing that. "the Browns should find a way to send “more than $150 million” to Cleveland to help develop the lakefront." And why on earth should they? If Haslam were to volunteer an abitrary amount like that, I imagine there are endless better options. The city and county have had almost a century to develop the lakefront, and have done nothing outside several underperforming museums and very recent housing. Some pie-in-the-sky donation from the Browns is pennies for any significant development and is completely performative. "GCP called this Browns’ stadium debate a pivotal moment" It really isn't despite catching a lot of attention. This isn't 1995.

If Cleveland partially annexes an independent city, it needs to be for a good reason, not just so the Browns potentially play in the city proper for a few more decades. And why would Brookpark agree to it and lose their sovereignty? Some people would lose access to the Berea school system, which is pretty solid.

We're almost at June 2025, and it's very unlikely there will be a ribbon-cutting ceremony in 2029. Just think of all the environmental studies, NFL approval, multi-year road expansions, additional land purchases, land-use permits and approvals, updated renderings, re-budgeting, re-financing, lawsuit appeals and resolutions, etc, that need to occur before the drunk idiots head down to Jimmyworld in 2029. Never mind the three years needed to build the albatross. Meanwhile Jimmy is 71 years old and will be, at best, 75 by the time this stadium opens. A 75-year-old multi-billionaire whose income derives mostly from Tennessee will not care about outbidding Rocket Mortgage for the next Eric Clapton or Keyshia Cole 2030 performance. These events are pennies to Jimmy's actual worth. Also, again, 2029 is a ludicrously optimistic time frame, and Jimmy isn't getting younger. Despite all the financial and geographical advantages in the world, Las Vegas still needed two years to prepare for groundbreaking for the A's stadium, with another 3 years of construction required. We think the Browns will achieve that in a vastly shorter time frame? Jimmy, the only person who actively gives a s**t about this project, would be 76 or 77 by the time this kicks off - which I still don't think will happen. Cannibalizing the next Matt Rife performance will not be a priority at that stage.

Why would hotels and restaurants suffer even if this ridiculous dome is built? Visitors would still need to eat, sleep and recreate somewhere, and we all know Brookpark can only provide a fraction of that even if a hotel or two are built. As for Jimmyworld cannibalizing other events that would ordinarily occur downtown, that is a fair concern. Those revenue losses balanced against the potential ancillary Cleveland benefits as well as tax paid billion(s?) spared = who knows. Probably none of us until 2040 when proper analysis can begin. As for Gateway and E4 becoming wastelands, don't be daft Dustin. They'll be fine even if there are some revenue losses. Cleveland's best years in my lifetime were the last 90s. I'm not worried.

Oh it's GREAT news. One less albatross for the taxpayers to subsidize despite no positive ROI or benefit. And hopefully it, along with Kansas City, is indicative that regions are fed up with these grifts. Now is the time for the city and county to solicit RFPs for the stadium's repurposing.

Fantastic news. A good day for Cleveland and Cuyahoga.

Very welcome news. We need a win.

Well done Columbus!

Perhaps, if they can locate 40 million. Or use it as an opportunity for something better.

Because the city/region shouldn't be held hostage by a bad faith owner who can privately finance a stadium if he chooses. I get no one is happy about the .336 team relocating, but they need to move forward. And it's not like the stadium was much of an economic incubator there for 95 years as it is. A repurposed stadium is the only path that makes sense.

This - well, really last year - is the time to investigate totally repurposing the stadium under the assumption the Browns will not play there after the 2028/2029 season: housing, vertical farms, an indoor water park, a new Justice Center, homeless and/or refugee camp, cultural center, hospital, data center -- all ideas should be considered. All the $1000/hr billables to Jones Day and leaked photos are not changing the owner's intent. City/County can play hardball if the slimeballs can't receive subsidies and crawl back, while soliciting bids for entirely new concepts.

It's like begging an ex to take you back. At some point the city and region need to move on and focus on more pressing matters than the usual what ifs and 'transformati[ve]" bulls**t. They've had almost a CENTURY to do something around Municipal/Browns stadium, and many of those years had significant more financial resources and population to pull something off. We missed the boat. Turn the stadium into housing like in Indianapolis, stop with the endless suits, let Ohio or another state decide on some boondoggle, and move on.

Ever since the playoffs, Clase looks completely lost. Something isn't right.

April: AVG: 427 HR: 10 RBIs: 32 Runs: 29 Hits: 50 Is Judge considered human still?

A big no from me. Not until the courts or ownership decide what happens to the expansion team that's gone .336 since 1999. And that's rounding UP.

PASS

P&G's CEO made $23 million in 2024 in total compensation. COO under $10 million. CFO under $9 million. A subsidiary CEO made $7 million. Any price increase should be in conjunction with extreme drops in their total compensation. If prices go up x dollars, then their total compensations drops x + y amount. Something to that effect. Same with job losses. Cut x% of the work force. then their total compensation reduced x+y%. Really, that should be the rule for all companies.

Hey. As long as there is positive and sustainable ROI, I'd love to be completely wrong and chat gdp a mea culpa.

That may be true, but the convention business wasn't very healthy even pre-COVID, and since it's been decimated. Even McCormick is struggling a great deal. As for the hotel, sure it's pretty, but I don't believe taxpayers should engage that business. If private industry is averse, it's probably for good reason. And this one already had to dip into tens of millions of tax dollars during Covid. Plus it's as much a Hilton as the Healthline is BRT. They just operate it.

It should concern you. The taxpayers were insulted, fleeced, and despite all the rebrandings - Medical Mart, Global Center for Health Innovation, Huntington Convention Center of Cleveland, etc - this s**t has been a money pit since before it opened and never had a realistic business model. It's unbelievable Kennedy, Fred Nance, Frank, Hagan and the '07 commissioners, and other architects weren't investigated for their roles in this upper 9-figure-and-growing boondoggle. That money could have gone towards far more important projects or sit in the taxpayers' pockets where it belonged. This Medical Mart was a scam that Nashville was smart enough to see and bail, not Cleveland/Cuyahoga, and it is a thorough embarassment to the city and region. Pretty well stated below: https://www.clevescene.com/news/how-we-got-screwed-1565381 "And how can the county sign an agreement that guarantees more than $925 million in payments to a private company for a project that has no specific design, no plan, no final site, no schedule, no budget, no cost projections, no cost limitations and no guaranteed benefit to the citizens?" Plus it's not like Cleveland is seeing that many conventions with or without the extension. An extremely limited silver lining. We got screwed. But hey, at least you could take a yoga class there for a while.

Is that south of Harvard or within the actual Pinecrest development? Maybe answered my own question with the google machine: https://www.cleveland.com/community/2024/12/residential-project-at-pinecrest-to-feature-large-luxurious-units-architect-says.html "The residential development will be located on about 20 acres between Silverspot Cinema at Pinecrest and Chagrin Boulevard." Yay! "“We’re aiming for two (parking) spaces per unit,” he said." Oh f off! Unless this is the Canyons project. I believe that is south of Harvard.

Far worse "luxury" buildings have 90+% occupancy. This one will be fine even if the walls are missing vertical cots.

If it's private property, they should call a tow. If public property, the city. Among other statutes, 3335-21-14 is being violated. But before, their home needs to be wired with a security system and the police should be notified of potential reprisals. This can get ugly fast. But give an inch, they take a yard. This needs to be nipped in the bud ASAP even if potential new issues arise.

Not just that, but imagine what the current Browns stadium's new estimates are. I'd bet the $461 million renovation is DOA as well, though the city/county will continue repairs as obligated and needed. The city/county have far more concerns and financial triages than wasting hundreds of millions on new luxury boxes and "gourmet" restaurants. We'll try again in ten years after the lost decade.

The trainings are bulls**t. What should be in their place are draconian penalties for harassments, retaliations, et al, including fines, firings, clawing back earlier compensations, even collective punishment. There should be entirely new levels of accountability and sanction for that behavior, not the usual "SORRY IF YOU FEEL I HURT YOUR FEELINGS, PRAYSE JESUS" rhetoric and/or theatrics of online trainings. Same goes for the private sector.