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From The Indians guest services and the upper deck terraces. " please note this area of the ballpark is not open every game, only for games such as Opening Day when we are approaching or are sold out or for a large group sale who purchased that area"

It appears Zack Bruell's planned restaurant has also begun construction. I am surprised this has started because it the las round of designs were not approved by the city planning commission. I am excited to see FWD built.

Landmark Planning Commission agenda for April 23 regarding landscaping and lighting. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2015/04232015/index.php The interesting note is parking located in the Huntington Parking Structure 500 assigned spaces. 250 for self park and 250 for valet. Also this image appears to have possible added design features considered for The Malls

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2015/04232015/index.php Landmark Planning Commission agenda for Corner Alley renovations. I like the direction this is headed with the garage glass doors to open the building weather permitting

I never have been a fan of the angled window jut out. It has no relationship to the Malls or the building itself. The transparency of the structure through the glass is an interesting decision by architects. I prefer not to see the concrete.

The issue I have with the entire Flats East Bank project is it hasn't grown as an urban setting. We took a neighborhood and bulldozed it. Albeit it was in need of rejuvenation it still had bones. The overall designs are nice but not every structure needs to look and feel the same. The effect because antiseptic. Are these one story buildings better than what they replaced? Some will say yes, but part of the charm of The Flats was its grit. For example,this entire development could move to Highland Heights and would not feel out of place. I believe the same will happen with Cumberland and the lakefront development.

It appears the glass curtain wall has begun to be installed along the mall side's podium base http://www.cuyahogacounty.us/en-US/earthcam.aspx

Are the "who's on first" granite blocks still at gate C? I also wish Progressive Field could have limited the additional corporate logos. The "New Era" pro shop and "Key Bank" on the light posts are just a couple of examples. Yes most of the rework is good but the finishes are all odd choices. Also, I noticed the new center area seating has a major trip factor. This can be seen in the photo posted earlier by KJP.

I completely agree. The choices made from the initial design to the end product show how many bad decisions were made. We were all sold a bill of goods that were not deliverable as rendered. Funny how the organization has kept this part of the renovation out of the press. I am waiting for the spin they will put on these,

Prove me wrong. Where is the form/sign off that these renovations ADA compliant? Sure,they are OSHA approved but not wheelchair accessible. . I hope one of your family members never has to deal with issues of others whom deserve the same respect as you.

TPH2 Those areas are designated from the before renovation era of Progressive Field. A new area was designed that changes what was before considered ADA approved. Redesign now indicates an entire new viewing area with standing room and hightop tables to sit at. Not one area of this alternate seating/standing takes into requirement ADA codes. You state "You wouldn't plan a group event on one of these terraces if a member of your party is handicapped just as you wouldn't buy a ticket in row X in the upper deck either. Not every single part of the park needs to be ADA accessible." That is exactly why codes are in place so everyone is allowed the same rights as you. The upper right field deck does NOT afford me to ever enjoy an event with my family member in a wheelchair. By law all seating options must have the same options available as you or I. Where in the park are the other areas for group outings with high tables with seats and standing designated for wheelchair accessible during the game?

Explain how these are up to code. How do I get my family member into a new designated area for viewing and how does he watch the game over the solid rail? As an architect do you generally not follow ADA codes? Do you design facilities that are required by law to follow such codes? I know I am required.

You wouldn't have to make them all accessible. You just have to make at least one of the boxes ADA. Listen, I am not about a radical departure from what was designed just that people recognize the situation that has happened with the redesign of the ballpark. If you make such changes than the domino effect begins with codes. And yes architect and engineers should be held accountable. I work as a production designer for television events with live audiences and it is my job to follow all ADA rules. The client should be informed of building codes by the people they hire.

So if I would so choose a family outing and wanted to use the terrace boxes, my family member couldn't sit with us! Here in lies the issue that part of the ballpark is closed off to people with disabilities.

Then please explain to me the area I highlighted on how the terraces are not in violation.

The area is absolutely a seating/viewing area. High top tables are being added and I for one do not see how a family member of mine in a wheelchair cannot have the same experience as I. Even if I carried them up they cannot see over the railings. That is an epic fail and the architects and engineers should be ashamed of that. To follow ADA guidelines you cannot pick and choose what you want to see and follow.

That was my question. The upper deck is no less ADA accessible now than it was with seats in those sections over the last 20 years. Yes the upper deck was ADA accessible before. Seats were provided that matched what patrons without disabilities had. The addition of the terrace boxes provides a different viewing that now does not accommodate an individual the same as any other. There are the same landing areas outside the tunnels to the concourse that are still accessible. Sure, the terrace boxes at the higher levels might not be accessible, but what's the difference between that and higher rows of seats not being accessible? Please read what I posted regarding ADA compliance. The terrace boxes are in violation

That was my question. The upper deck is no less ADA accessible now than it was with seats in those sections over the last 20 years. Yes the upper deck was ADA accessible before. Seats were provided that matched what patrons without disabilities had. The addition of the terrace boxes provides a different viewing that now does not accommodate an individual the same as any other. I have included the ADA government guidelines. http://www.ada.gov/stadium.txt Wheelchair accessible seating is required. At least one percent of the seating must be wheelchair seating locations. Each wheelchair seating location is an open, level space that accommodates one person using a wheelchair and has a smooth, stable, and slip-resistant surface. Accessible seating must be an integral part of the seating plan so that people using wheelchairs are not isolated from other spectators or their friends or family. A companion seat must be provided next to each wheelchair seating location. The companion seat is a conventional seat that accommodates a friend or companion. Wheelchair seating locations must be provided in all areas including sky boxes and specialty areas. Removable or folding seats can be provided in wheelchair seating locations for use by persons who do not use wheelchairs so the facility does not lose revenue when not all wheelchair seating locations are ticketed to persons who use wheelchairs. Whenever more than 300 seats are provided, wheelchair seating locations must be provided in more than one location. This is known as dispersed seating. Wheelchair seating locations must be dispersed throughout all seating areas and provide a choice of admission prices and views comparable to those for the general public. Wheelchair seating locations must be on an accessible route that provides access from parking and transportation areas and that connects to all public areas, including concessions, restaurants, rest rooms, public telephones, and exits. Wheelchair seating locations must provide lines of sight comparable to those provided to other spectators. In stadiums where spectators can be expected to stand during the show or event (for example, football, baseball, basketball games, or rock concerts), all or substantially all of the wheelchair seating locations must provide a line of sight over standing spectators. A comparable line of sight, as illustrated in the figure below, allows a person using a wheelchair to see the playing surface between the heads and over the shoulders of the persons standing in the row immediately in front and over the heads of the persons standing two rows in front.

Watch this video and you will see what my concerns are and will remain regarding the design of the terrace boxes. 1. no access for ADA 2. horrible sight line issues. Whomever took this video it is clear you cannot see the entire playing field. I am sure it worsens the further back you stand behind the enclosed rails

I doubt they are thinking to fix. Here is a statement given on cbs local radio April 3 :Indians On Stadium Renovations: Curtis Danburg, Indians Senior Director of Communications, “Renderings Are Renderings, Nothing Has Changed From What We Set Out To Do.” They know they have a difficult job selling the aesthetic and their spin is the renderings were just that.

The latest image makes me so mad at what they have done.

Here is what I would propose they should do to remedy the terrace boxes. 1. remove the solid rails and replace with glass rail systems or consistent tubular steel that meet OSHA codes hence lowering the height of each terrace visually 2. remove the metal facades and replace with yellow brick matching he existing architecture. This goes for "The Corner" brick as well. Horrible choice to introduce red brick 3. no signage on the second or third level terraces. Signage not necessary. 4. Continue the brick motif on all upper levels around the ballpark and add pennants to those facades or continue the jersey numbers. Lastly. Wouldn't it have been better to just add the top tier of the terraces around the entire top deck instead of obliterating right field? I am sure the number of seats removed would have been the same and then these "boxes" would have disappeared into he background. Oh well. Horrible planning Sorry to my fellow urbanohioers for the many posts I have placed in this forum.

It will be interesting for the publicity spin from The Indians on this disaster. I encourage all to let the Indians organization of your thoughts. They should be held accountable for this outcome and maybe enough bad publicly will make them reconsider what they have done to absolutely ruin one of the best ballparks in the league. Btw. If I were watching a game outside of Cleveland and saw this I would say The Indians couldn't sell enough tickets so they tried to hide the fact they couldn't sell enough seats. So instead they covered them with ugly boxes With the removal of the seats from center field and the center right field second level reduction, couldn't they have left some of the upper deck sets in place? How many were actually removed from the lower deck areas? Lastly has anyone wondered why "The Corner" brick color is red and the ballpark brick has been beige in tone. Why go with a completely different color scheme? Nothing of this design works for me. I swear these architects and designers never stepped foot into Progressive Field to understand the aesthetics.

Here is a photo of the terraces and a great example on how they could have lightened the look by making these closed railings open rails. Also one can plainly see that if you aren't standing directly against the rail there is no way you can see the field. I would love the architects to explain this design dilemma

I heard they are aiming for a June 2016 completion in time for the RNC Convention. lol :wink: