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Btw here's the episode, for now offered free but in the future will probably switch over to Hulu users only: http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s19e03-the-city-part-of-town

I'm still trying to get the context behind it. They portrayed a really tough issue well, but then didn't propose an ideology or solution behind it like they normally do. I'm very glad they are touching on the idea of urban revitalization, that's something that definitely needs to be discussed more in mainstream media, but I don't think it's a great idea to give people a bunch of feelings and then at least not suggest a direction to channel it and make a difference. Normally it is easy to agree or disagree with whatever direction they propose, I just don't understand what the motive was with this episode. Normally it's more clear. Can you guys help me out?

^It won't be a tower. Startek's 682 similar jobs in Hamilton are only taking up one floor of the former Elder-Beerman store. So 40,000 sq. ft. if I remember correctly.

As much as I'd like to see it go to the Banks, I'd rather see it go to downtown Hamilton. In particular in some of the former Ohio Casualty space.

Part of the issue is the sheer number of new students accepting their admission offers for Miami University. On-campus, they need to build a new 300-room dorm just to keep up with demand. At the moment, many "on-campus" students are living about a mile away from campus in an apartment community similar to the one that will be built. Additionally, the value proposition for those units way out there is bad. Virtually all students like to walk to class and walk uptown to the restaurants and bars. They like to live by their friends. The current complex out there is the cheapest campus living option, but also decidedly the lest desirable. These won't be any more highly looked upon. Kinda surprised they are doing this, actually...

I'd have to agree with billshark. Gentrification is a win-win-win if done properly and the buildings and neighborhoods to which is comes are preserved. Property values go up, crime goes down, more job opportunities arise right by the people who need jobs and investment in their communities the most. Best of all, our heritage and environment is saved through restoring the buildings and cities which supported generations prior, cutting into the demand of chopping up our farm fields and forests into more cookie cutter, car reliant developments. What will be key is keeping this momentum going, and ensuring that Urbanism doesn't become a "Millennial fad". This can be achieved with smart growth policies and constantly innovating the urban product.

You're ignoring this section of that article: The situation at CVG seems to be a much more likely candidate for deterring a company like GE from relocating its HQ to Cincinnati. That's a long term problem. Kasich will be gone by the time GE starts building a new office somewhere. GE is just drumming up interest in (and outrage about) the export/import bank, something that most people have never even heard of. Yeah. I'm curious to hear more from you guys on this. But if CVG were such a deterrent, why locate the NAGOC here? Does that employee profile not travel? If GE HQ would have come to Cincy, the airlines operating out of CVG would have adjusted accordingly. Given the fact that there is a lot of excess room there from the Delta days, I can't imagine CVG being the real issue. And to be honest, I can't imagine GE leaving Fairfield, CT either. Connecticut will figure out a way to get GE the tax incentives it wants. And it would be very hard to draw the kind of people that lead GE from the rich CT suburbs of NYC to.... someplace like Cincy. All that's happening is a giant game of chicken. And this is exactly why corporate welfare reform needs to happen.

^I'd like to believe you, but I'll go ahead and burst the bubble instead.... http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2015/09/14/official-confirms-cincinnati-lost-a-shot-at-ge.html

Is it possible to impeach Cranley? I never donate to anything, but I'd donate to that cause. That, and running him out of this city. He's the worst politician I've ever seen in Ohio, or for that matter the USA.

Getting national press.... http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/09/us/cincinnati-police-chief-jeffrey-blackwell-fired/index.html For one I'm glad. Cranley needs to be tarred and feathered out of Cincinnati. The guy is an ass wipe, and that is putting it very nicely.

If they can't get an Apple store, the odds of obtaining places like American Girl are slim to none.... Plus if American Girl did come to the metro more than likely it would go in Phillip Edison's Kenwood Collection. As far as demographics go, it makes more sense for a higher concentration of luxury retailers at Kenwood rather than Liberty Center. It's a lot closer to the wealth of Cincinnati. Kenwood is very space limited though.... wondering if one day the developers will merge the mall with the original Kenwood Mall across the street into a Somerset Collection style center.

Apparently Montgomery County Commissioner Dan Foley is pushing hard for a merger between Dayton and Montgomery County. If this happens, Dayton's population will increase to ~533,000 people. From an urban perspective it looks like a win-win, but you all would know better than I do. Here's the project's website: http://daytontogether.com/ The DDN article (behind the paywall): http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/obstacles-abound-in-merger-plan/nmw4D/?icmp=daytondaily_internallink_textlink_apr2013_daytondailystubtomydaytondaily_launch#0563cb06.3970211.735791 The model it's based on - Louisville / Indianapolis (article on Indy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unigov And Dayton Most Metro's summation: http://www.mostmetro.com/the-featured-articles/dayton-together-initiative-to-merge-city-county-government.html So what do you all think? Is it possible? If it is, would regionalism be beneficial to Dayton? Or other Ohio cities? What needs to be done to make it happen?

Thanks for the update, can't wait to see the building after its renovations!

Captain Dumbass' work at its finest. And a great reminder that in a real democracy, there is no such thing as compromise. Or at least the Cranley and Frank Underwood version of it.

Also don't forget companies like Eaton Corp. in Cleveland which have all of their HQ operations stateside but are technically "based" in countries with lax business taxes, like Ireland or the Cayman Islands. Here's a great expose from Fortune Magazine on that: http://fortune.com/2014/07/07/taxes-offshore-dodge/ Anyways..... why do you all care? This kind of mentality is the exact kind that starts the poaching and tax increases and stupidity in the first place. Let's cheer on Connecticut and be proud they host GE's HQ. And let's condemn idiots in places like Georgia that can only seem to think economic success can come in the form of stealing companies which were nurtured and prospered in other states. I look forward to the day when serious corporate tax incentive reform can be accomplished in this nation. It's ridiculous the amount of welfare these corporations receive shuffling around the nations from the backs of people like you and me.

Certainly don't agree, but worth noting: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/move-out-of-dayton-was-a-great-move-for-ncr-ceo-sa/nmYxx/ IMO the sooner NCR is dead the better. It's been the tech sector's Kmart for 20 years running.

This sums up the entire perspective of the average Cincinnatian. Well done neilworms. Wish there were more people around in the city like those on UO that actually gave a damn whether or not the city is thriving in 5-10 years.

The difference between Boomers an Millennials Boomers grew up with this vision and still firmly believe it will happen someday. Millennials do not. Millennials realize how much fricking waste this would produce and hope for nothing more than this will never happen. Millennials champion reducing waste, reducing impact and sustainability. Boomers champion..... NASA. *Whoever said Millennials were the liberal ones and Boomers were conservative was sorely mistaken*

I'm 23 and I certainly understand what a nasty SOB they are working for. I was half considering to apply to be an intern for him, despite the fact it is not related to my field. All so I could play my own cards and expose him for what he really is...

Wow, a good heated discussion. This is wonderful! But yeah as far as this issue goes I would have to say that Indianapolis has open container and once I have seen it abused. I have seen a guy during the early afternoon on a Friday carrying a growler down Mass Ave, and he was so drunk / drugged / out of it that he was flailing and unable to walk. He passed out on the ground and was lucky that he didn't wander into the street and get hit. Yes, he was that bad. I'm thinking it had to be drugs. Anyways, overall I don't see the issue. I assume this jurisdiction can be allowed to be turned on/off for certain days of the year? It makes no sense to allow open container on a Monday morning in downtown Cincinnati, for instance, but it makes a lot more sense on a Saturday evening so people can have a drink with whatever entertainment is happening at Fountain Square. What worries me is the areas where this kind of law will lead to blatant drinking and driving. Like the VOA shopping center, which is only accessible by car. If people are wandering around there with drinks and drinking for extended periods of time, I can guarantee a lot of those people haven't found a DD (or have an irresponsible DD), aren't going to call a cab or an Uber (which barely services West Chester) , and are going to get behind the wheel and onto places like I-75. That's my only issue with this law. Otherwise, let the people drink!

But the suburbs will be getting these too. It's any municipality over 35k people, not just cities. Townships that make the cut near Cincinnati include Deerfield, West Chester, Liberty, Green, and Anderson. Heck, as I stated earlier West Chester wants to put their open container district AT THE VOA BIG-BOX SHOPPING CENTER

In Dayton, all of downtown east of Ludlow, Webster Station, the OD, etc. could fit in one district. Likely the other district will be positioned to cover Brown St., the new Midtown development and UD Arena. What will be really interesting to watch is the townships and suburbs with 35k+ people or 50k+ people. Like West Chester is saying they will put their district at the VOA shopping center: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/local/ohio-senate-to-vote-to-allow-open-alcohol-in-enter/njKLg/ But yeah, it's making me wonder in some places whether or not this will push them towards mergers or allow some creative collaborations between communities. I'm willing to bet Beavercreek, (population 45,000) desperately wants both the Fairfield Commons mall area and The Greene covered with open container districts. So will they try and merge with Beavercreek Twp., will they beg Fairborn or Kettering to put their districts near their two malls (can communities overlap their districts into other communities?), or do they choose a winner and a loser?

Ah. Ouch! Thanks for the answer. Hopefully they can draw in some good stores for this space.

With Saks gone, whats happening with the retail component? Are the smaller anchors like Vineyard Vines still committed?

Here's a good write-up on craft brewing in Ohio from the Dayton Business Journal: http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/blog/2015/03/dayton-ranks-no-1-in-ohio-for-number-of-breweries.html (and btw that title is purely because of the # of breweries per capita, don't take it as Dayton has better breweries necessarily haha)/. But they are really nice across the board. Thee can be considered "groundbreaking" IMO: Fifth St. Brewpub is the nation's first brewery co-op (you can be a "brewpub owner" for about $100). NPR did a cool story about it a while back, and it has helped reviatlize the St. Anne's Hill neighborhood a lot. Carrillon Brewing Co. is the first production brewery in a museum (the brew is done with processes authentic to those utilized by the breweries of the 1850's. Food and dress is of the period too. If you're here it is definitely worth a stop!!) And Pinups and Pints is the first brewery/strip club. Yes you read that correctly. Not in city limits though, it is right by Medway, OH.