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^That is a really good idea. Hope they do well with it

Yup! Weirdly enough Tipp City appears to be getting Quik Trip, Sheetz and Wawa all at once Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

There's another example too... Hara Arena in Dayton. It was privately owned for years. The owners held on for way too long and it all went to crap for a variety of reasons (neighborhood and upkeep were the two biggest). They eventually shut it down in 2016. Very shortly after, a large part of the arena roof caved in. They got lucky and the arena was struck by the tornado in 2019, which probably enabled them to take advantage of either their insurance or tax credits / government assistance to get it demolished. Either way the last ~10 years of Hara's operation were a painful to watch failure for all involved. I'm sure there are plenty of privately owned successful arenas too, probably by families far more affluent than the ones who owned Hara, but negligence is a real possibility that can quickly turn an privately owned arena from an asset to a leeching albatross in no time flat. Just look at Heritage Bank for one of many examples across the US of this being the case.

^Because somebody is going to have to pay for it and maintain it. Arenas are both expensive to build and keep up, there's a reason why Heritage Bank arena is still being used... it seems like it can make enough to pay for its maintenance. Doing this as a tenantless arena as part of a convention center remodel would make good sense. As a standalone arena without a tenant and no mention of esports, boxing, wrestling, or other uses that would actually be viable for Cincy? Forget about calling the Bengals stadium deal the worst in the nation at that point, because this deal would take the cake. It's like the arena equivalent of building a new Forest Fair mall on the site of the current Forest Fair Mall.

Agreed. If they build it without a tenant it’ll be a boondoggle, might as well let Kentucky eat it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Agreed, which I think is why if they really want to get this done they have to stop throwing out NBA or NHL as a possibility. There’s a huge difference in that style of arena vs. one they would build solely to replace Heritage Bank that would host boxing and esports matches, or act as a convention center add-on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Relative to Cleveland, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Detroit, or other towns that had a major, quick population boom… or one’s going through that now like Austin, Cincinnati has never had anything of the sort. The population growth of the metro has been steady relative to the rest of the nation since at least the dawn of railroads back in the mid 1800s. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

All of this for me brings up two questions…. 1. The points above by Gordon are spot on. So if there’s no reason for a new NBA or NHL franchise to come to Cincy, why pretend it’s a legitimate possibility, like Berding is doing? 2. Are there other sports Cincy can host where an arena might make sense, like esports, boxing/wrestling, etc? This is a type of arena that might make sense here but typically is paired with a casino or convention center… both sites mentioned by Berding in the article. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My point is that OSU’s focus is football. So if Ohio were to get an NBA team, and I had a billion+ dollars to throw around like Meg Whitman, I’d put the team in Columbus not Cincy. You’re going to be competing with OSU for Columbus area basketball viewers, but it won’t be as stiff of competition as going after OSU for football viewers. Sure, there’s a lot of Cavs fans, but LeBron isn’t here now so the fair weather fans are gone. It could also be an awesome rivalry like Hell is Real is in MLS. And Columbus is growing rapidly now, while Cincinnati is staying steady just like it’s done for centuries. Just my two cents. Like I said above, Meg Whitman has a knack for picking the wrong horse, and while she has done great with FCC so far by coming into what was already an incredible fan base in USL, I wouldn’t expect lightning to strike twice in Cincy. If I was her personally, I’d put a new NBA team in Louisville as it’s a major basketball town with UofL, which has a fan base that is oversized relative to the power of the university so might as well capitalize on it and bring the pros there. But if not there, Columbus would be my next regional choice for the reasons above. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

OSU hasn’t won a National title in basketball since 1960 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Between that, Yahoo!, and everything else the trail of things that have failed under Meg Whitman is so long it's almost comical. I feel bad for her in a lot of ways, I don't think the failures are her fault, she just has a knack for picking the wrong opportunities. She is incredibly talented and good at what she does, just hard to see the motivation for an NHL team here, for instance. On the other hand I'd be all about an NBA team here, but feel like Columbus would make more sense since they do not have any pro teams except NHL and OSU generally isn't as strong in basketball?

^Hope it happens this time! Would be great to see the redevelopment energy that's east of Jefferson get to Main and western downtown out to Sinclair and the courts.

^Return of the Cincy Royals? LOL Not to be pessimistic, but with the Pacers and Blue Jackets as close by as they are I don't see why anyone would want to try to bring a NHL or NBA team to Cincy. Bringing MLS here made perfect sense with how well FC Cincy performed in the USL. But I'm not seeing the Cincy Cyclones or Cincy Warriors bringing in the fanfare or crowds needed to justify a NHL or NBA team here, respectively. I'm guessing Berding wants a new stadium next door so they can use it as an indoor training facility for FCC?

^This is insane news ngl. I'm really hoping it happens, but damn

Cincinnati is 2,280k = 19.6% of Pop. / 17.6% GDP Columbus is 2,526k = 21.7% of Pop. / 19.2% GDP Cleveland (without Akron and South) is 2,278k = 19.5% of Pop. / 19.7% of GDP (with Cleveland I added in Norwalk, Sandusky and Astabula but excluded Canton, Wooster and Dover) Also, the Dayton/Cincy calculation is very skewed because of how the metros mix. There's a lot of businesses in places like Franklin, Springboro Monroe and Middletown, all counted as Cincy metro, that have a lot more Dayton-area employees than Cincy-area employees. I'm sure the same is true for Cleveland.

Incredible, well done! Hamilton is looking good Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

^It looks like they recycled renderings from Grandview Yard lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That is the real question here. I’m hoping when they say “BRT” they mean something like the HealthLine in Cleveland. Or even the Flyer Express in Dayton, it’s kinda dumb but it carries a LOT of traffic for what it’s worth. But both of those lines rely on consistent service, Flyer Express is once every 10 minutes for instance. If they did a line that’s once every 10 minutes up Reading especially it seems hard to imagine it not doing well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Is it sad that I’m happy about the project scaling back because I’m hoping they leave most or all of the mall structure intact? The skylights in that mall and how they are designed is special, it’s a really cool space even though it’s a mall in suburbia. I’d love to see the corridor parallel to 747 turned into, and this is going to sound really tacky, but something like the Gaylord Opryland in Nashville. Some nice gardens through the center and idk what would happen to the actual in-line and anchor tenant spaces. Again, crazy idea, but why spend that many hundreds of millions of dollars to demolish and rebuild when the base structure can be turned into something pretty cool? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This is really exciting for Cincinnati. It’ll be a great compliment to the streetcar and hopefully an Uptown Expansion in the near future. Hamilton and Reading Avenues make great sense, one for west and one for east side with both pretty centrally located. Now I’ll keep hoping for my BRT lines up in Dayton on Far Hills, Salem and Third lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’m really excited to see this get redeveloped, glad the site is ready to go Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The Kenwood Rally House is cavernous. Merchandise is stacked all the way to the ceiling, it feel like Spencer’s in there. Not sure if they are all like that, I am not much of a clothes shopper in general, but I could see how it could use some more room to spread out to allow people to view merchandise better Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

From the pictures, that inside multi-use course looks MASSIVE massive. I know it’s the largest sports complex in the nation now but I’m really curious what kind of events they are going to do there over the next couple years just because with that of floor space it seems like they could do really incredible things Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That Longfellow development as laid out is sweet, major step in the right direction. Loving the new Grafton Hill developments! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Reading back through this thread, it’s incredible how well Hamilton has done with redevelopment over the past 10-15 years. It’s become a really well put together place. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk