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That’s the thing most people don’t realize about Honda, they make more American cars than the Big 3 right now. Like the second gen Honda Ridgeline was designed in America at Honda R&D in Ohio, built in Alabama, a lot of purchased items for it come from Ohio. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Here’s info on the proposed hotel at Miami Valley Gaming… https://www.journal-news.com/local/miami-valley-gaming-making-changes-upgrades-after-learning-lessons-from-covid-19/U2WFUCBM7ZGY5CQW2IRT5MNJK4/?outputType=amp It’s delayed indefinitely as of a month ago, but they are going to expand their patio and put slots on it. They said it’s because of COVID, and they are also eliminating their buffet in favor of two restaurants Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I think they left off the new apartments Crawford Hoying is building at the corner of Monument and St Clair. I didn’t give them much thought until last week when I happened to take Monument to get back to Salem… they have a big impact on the density of the riverfront that I honestly was not expecting. Dayton is really starting to get a nice, dense riverfront Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

To the Washington Court House discussion… I’m guessing it’s somewhat situational. Like people that live off US 22 probably gravitate towards Cincy because it’s easy to cut down to Wilmington and take 73 to the highway if they don’t feel like going up to 35, and people that live east off 62 probably gravitate towards Columbus because it’s easy to head north and end up in Grove City …Anyways, I hope that Cincinnati doesn’t build a new urban stadium that demolishes historic buildings in the Basin similar to TQL, especially if the stadium is really just built on spec. I’m glad FC Cincy is there and ended up going that route vs. more suburban sites in Oakley, etc. but they also were able to build on a site using a majority pre-cleared space. Would it be possible to somehow redesign and repurpose the convention center to have an indoor arena? If that’s a no, the site at the corner of Reading and Liberty seems like a solid pick, and has been a proposed site for a stadium for years Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It’s insane that they are going to demolish a brand new set of buildings because they can’t fill the space. Maybe I’m wrong but this whole project has to be one of the worst performing lifestyle centers built after the Great Recession in the US. But Shake Shack will cure all of its ills I’m sure lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I agree, it would be nice if they took the building to the street and put the plaza behind it if they insist on having a plaza. At least then it would be used. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

And the same is true of the UD library, from what I can tell, or at least it isn’t in that picture. NCR could have built a great company here in Dayton and been amazingly competitive with the low cost of living and good labor pool. But they chose to not. What a shame.

Glad you liked it! Right when the state locked down officially in early April 2020 I made a point to drive to a far point in the state just because leaving the state was not possible. I kept to myself and didn’t break any protocols (also didn’t get COVID that I know of during or after that trip) but I chose to go to Gallipolis. Partially because I had never been, partially because it was about a 2 hour drive away. The trip to Charleston now was, in my mind, an extension of that trip. It’s validation that this is over, and the completion of the trip from when I was looking across the river wishing I could go over there without having to quarantine for two weeks after. I’m hopeful for better times and that more people get vaccinated so we don’t have to shut down over again due to the delta variant.

I can vouch for this lol

Agreed! Definitely on its last leg. The only anchor left is JCP, and the online stores are prob ~70% vacant. It would be well served by a consolidation and demo.

Lol I didn’t want to admit this, but… I stopped at Cook Out in Huntington on the way back and got a milkshake. And a walking taco, to try it out. I think after that I at least 10% of my body was Cookout food. In all fairness though I was not able to finish either of those. But their walking tacos are on point. For close Cookout, Lexington is prob the way to go, but WV was fun

It’s worth it! It’s not a super hopping place or anything but definitely worth a stop and checking out.

Thank you! If you want to get your Tudors fix they have it now in Fairborn and Xenia

The Tioga is pretty cool ngl. Thanks for sharing!

So I decided to take a weekend trip to Charleston, WV last Sunday. I literally left Dayton at 1:30pm and made it back by 11:30pm. It was worth it! Got to check out Charleston in depth, gorgeous small city that feels bigger than its size. Also went to Cookout (yes I’m basic but I’m OK with it lol) and bought wayyy too much of their cheap, delicious, godawful for you food. The Carriage Trail is truly a gem, as is the State Capitol. It’s also decidedly ungentrified in and near downtown, feels very much like most Ohio downtowns circa 2008. Enjoy!

It's looking good... a missed opportunity compared to the original proposal but a big improvement over the Pogue's garage. Glad that thing is gone

Saw this today, honestly it looks like a fire hazard more than anything to me. The wonders of stick construction I guess, but damn... I would not want to be on the 12th story of that thing with a fire raging beneath. A new 12-story residential tower downtown would be awesome, though, but more traditional masonry construction seems like a better, safer idea. And this thing is probably not going to age well...

LOL of course it won't! What's shocked me recently around Dayton is just how well these lower-tier new housing developments are doing. Pinnacle Ridge in Moraine, which is a stone's throw from the Stony Hollow dump, and not much further from the Dayton wastewater treatment plant that can be smelled from the highway, the prison and the roughest parts of westside Dayton, built out 100+ houses in 3 eyars in the $150-$250k price range new. It did well enough that there are currently building another large development in a floodplain on top of a former trailer court, called Wright Landing, at the bottom of the hill (or moraine). There's a lot of potential for this type of development in areas like this all across the city, for better or worse. I suspect this new development in Kittyhawk will do really well given how well Pinnacle Ridge did with the same exact floorplans in a worse location. D.R. Horton is trying out building new homes in a stalled development directly behind Salem Mall in Trotwood, and they are having some success. Makes me wonder how some of this tuff, if better designed for a city environment with changes like rear-facing garages into an alley, would do as infill in places like Westwood and Drexel.

Nice! One of my favorite things in Yellow Springs was the small distillery in the commercial building next to Yellow Springs Brewery. It is sad it was forced to close by the landlords (or so I was told by an owner, who was tending the bar when I was there) but happy to see something go in at the same general spot at least.

Hey you guys! It's been a few more months now, any new good urban-focused podcasts come up during Coronavirus?

Saw the news on the I-X center, as an outsider I have a couple questions... 1. The I-X center (which was a former army tank plant, just found that out, very interesting) appears to have been a poor use for that site ever since the new Cleveland convention center opened up downtown. It seems like phasing it out has been part of the plan since 2014 as referenced above. The 300 Brook Park homes to be demolished along with it for an airport expansion... are those all of the homes north of Sheldon Rd, west of Donte's? 2. If the airport expansion doesn't happen this looks like an excellent building to repurpose into a distribution center. Dayton has recently had a lot of luck selling off land by their airport (now that FAA regulations loosened how close buildings can be to airports, apparently) for warehouse space. Are there plans for another convention center with 2.2 million square foot of one-story space like the I-X center had, is there another city nearby that has that kind of space, or is it not necessary anymore? I'm guessing option #3 is the best answer since fewer conventions happen now, and most of those conventions appear to go to fewer venues (Chicago, Las Vegas, etc.) but was curious if anything else is in the pipeline 3. There's a couple of vacant streets just to the west of the houses north of Sheldon Rd. in Brook Park. I couldn't tell what used to be there but my best guess is public housing. Is that what was there, or was there something else?

Thank goodness that cladding is coming down!

Can't wait for the post-covid world where the stadium is full and the atmosphere is electric Will be interesting how it feels overall vs. Nippert once everything is said and done.

^I like how Cricket didn't get gentrified out of the rendering

That is sad to hear! Retail in any situation is a tough environment. I'm a few months late, but wanted to provide a post-pandemic update. I went to Dayton Mall, The Greene, the Mall at Fairfield Commons, and the Jeffersonville Outlet Mall as part of my errands today. I have also been to the Monroe Outlet Mall post-pandemic, as well as Polaris, Easton and Kenwood. The difference is stark. Polaris is still at 95+% occupancy within the mall itself from what I can tell. The Sears redevelopment will be interesting, and every store front was filled aside from one. The outside area of the mall appears to be floundering. Lots of vacancies relative to the inside. Easton was basically 100% occupied from what I could tell. Kenwood was the same, but I didn't get a chance to go to the Collection across from Dillards. The Monroe Outlets are starting to have some vacancies, most notably the former Saks Off Fifth. All three of the Dayton malls had a healthy amount of foot traffic but also had notable vacancies. I may be picking up on it more because I spend a lot more time at the Dayton-area malls, but it makes me wonder why when there's still plenty of people coming in. Dayton Mall is the most worrisome of the bunch for closures, as it always has been due to its bare-bones architecture and haphazard development surrounding the mall. But the center corridor is packed! Tons of foot traffic. I've never seen as many shops open on the second level as there are now. And halfway down the main corridor in each direction from the center the mall has good occupancy levels. The JCPenney is in sad shape, it will go out of business like the rest of the chain soon. But the new Morris Home Outlet (in place of The Room Place) opened up at least. The vacant-feeling but filled corridor it creates with the Dicks Sporting Goods is weird but easily solvable with some kiosks, pop-up food vendors or even allowing a local car dealership to display some cars there with a salesperson or two to staff it. Even with the weirdness there are still plenty of people walking to Dicks. "The Yard" concept they have going is not working. The corridor down by Elder Beerman has changed quite a bit since the pandemic. There's a lot more vacancies between Forever 21 and the old E-B... maybe a 20% occupancy rate over that part now vs. 70% pre-pandemic. It's a worry. But if the Avis car rental is removed, everything west of Forever 21 can be combined into one common space with outside access. Washington Prime took ownership of the former Elder Beerman earlier this year. Even with the pandemic, I'm hoping for an announcement and some plans for redevelopment. Sears will be trickier since it is a Seritage property, but there's also no At Home store nearby... and they have opened up in a lot of former Sears Holdings properties. The Greene overall is pretty healthy but there's a lot of vacancies by Von Maur. Basically that whole section behind Club Oceano has maybe a 60% occupancy rate. The rest of the mall is probably 90% occupied. I didn't do a full tour at Fairfield Commons but it's the only Dayton area mall that has Rose & Remington (plus a variety of sister stores) in it. These together take up A Lot of space... probably ~15-20k square feet, or about equivalent to a H&M. There's still a lot of vacancies, like the space where Forever 21 was going to go before their bankruptcy. The food court will be 100% occupied once Agnes Grill opens... nice to see a locally owned small restaurant open in a mall food court.