Jeffery

If I recall right Canada doesnt have this deduction?

3.98 at the Shell station across from my house this morning. Very close to $4.00 gallon here, now. Though I think you can still find it cheaper. This price was the highest I've seen it in the area. We'll be at 4/gal for sure in May. Unfortunatly for me, since I have some trips to KY planned for that month.

Looking forward to this. I am planning on being in Cincy a bit more over the next month, and plan on visiting this gift shop. City themed gifts and cards are good stocking stuffers or souvenir gifts from me to loved ones, so glad to see this for Cincy (tho you can get some stuff like this...cards mostly...at Park+Vine).

Ive heard the old elementary school will be partially torn down for a re-alignment of Wyoming around MVH, to eliminate that dog-leg betw main and brown. And, yeah, more sucktastic architecture from UD. Too bad because they had a great concept for saving the "student ghetto" as a mx of infill and restoration of older houses, plus that neat Art Street gallery/studio space in the middle. Instead they go "corporate/suburban". Bleh. There WAS a good opportunity, but as always in Dayton, the cheap and banal and predictable is the default ethos.

...tell me more. The Emery is legendary with local cultural vultures for having good acoustics (heard about from people up here in Dayton). Not this thread, probably, but if you can link me to a thread on this, or a site. Thx.

That transit map a few posts upthread...so the that old tavern with the corner turret at Crawford and Spring Grove was the end of the line for the old C&LE interurban....and it went up into that hill country area behind Parker Woods, along Spring Grove cemetary?

Did he really? This IS news! It seems this would be a smart line to upgrade. I always said that high-speed rail money should have went here, to these lines out of Chicago, instead of Ohio. Kaisch was a movement conservative back in the 1980s, thats how we was portrayed in the media, part of the new breed of conservatives coming to power during the Reagan/Bush era.

Whatever. Everything is just fine in Ohio and we have excuses for all our problems, which arent really problems are they? Just the way things just are. I'll sit down and shut up now.

So this service didn't use those double-decker commuter coaches they had up on Chicago commuter runs during the 1960s & 1970s?

Grand Lake Saint Marys is a good example of the end-result in the conservative ideology that is so influential here..... "I can do whatever I want with my land, too hell with the consequences".

And the Germans are accelerating their move to renewable energy sources. Their "environmental" party is polling as the new "second party" in their political system, taking over state government in one state. You read that about these people, these Germans who used to be so reactionary, and you look at Ohio and how its going, culturally and economically, and you just see a place regressing and getting worse. "Conservative" as in resistant to change, resistant to the new, embracing the tried-and-true we've-always-done-it-this-way mentality. It is AMAZING that there is any progress whatsover in this state.

3.75 for reg, at the Speedway on Stewart near UD.

Dayton will never be a hipster place. It would be too self-concious here, too obviously a pose. In this town If you are into something you're into it becuase you like it, becuase it turns you on, not because it's "cool". There's not enough to people to really make a hipster scene. Good luck if the fan base for indy music here cracks 1,000 people (Dayton Music Fest, local band thing, in the fall has never sold 1,000 tickets, always maybe around 700-800 or so, if I recall right)

..and I didnt know there was a music magazine, or even a 'zine, based here. Dayton has a fair music scene. I guess its a bit suprising there is as much going on here as there is....in country, bluegrass, and acoustic/old-timey as much as in alternative or indy rock. In the recent past, aside from the Proffessors, the local band I like is "Jasper the Colossal", Paige, their lead, is excellent, really "gets it" when it comes to rocking out. They are sort of girrrrl/post punk, but are quite good, even for an old timer like me.

Agreed. We could be seeing the fallout from the gas price rise, perhaps?

What happened in Lexington was that the "cheaper" and more intensive (industrial) developement spun off to surrounding county seat towns (Nicholasville, Georgetown, Winchester), and the developed that did happen in Lexinvton was still "suburban", but higher density suburban (more condo/apartments and higher-end residential). Lexington did have an industrial boom early on, but after , say, 1970, a lot of this started happening in the other inner-Bluegrass county seats surrounding Lex. So yes, urban growth boundaries do lead to higher density and less inner-city abandonment, but also do drive higher land prices, leading to more spin-off development outside the "greenbelt" (or protected area). Lexington is probably closest actually existing example of growth control but is not truely comparible because the Lex metro is a growing metro, in both population and GMP.

That was a good article. I can just imagine the reaction to that in Dayton, where transit is seen as a crime delivery system vs an alternative to the car.... "Communist California"....

The Dayton Daily News has an op-ed that talks about the implications on the regionalism issue (which I think is a dead issue). Is Regionalism Still Possible After Beavercreek? "....The controversy dealt a blow to the cause of a united region, to the notion that the people of the Dayton area need to see themselves as in the same boat, need to identify with one another, need to focus on what unites them rather than wallow in division, fear and competitiveness...." Comments at the DDN facebook page are excellent, as usual: "...Dayton has become the cancer of the Miami Valley, unfortunately. Few will touch it with a ten-foot pole. The City of Dayton has become the proverbial red headed stepchild in regards to the rest of the Miami Valley. Only the CoD can change that..." Opinion Page Comments

Here's an example of how the decline in jobs is playing out in certain demographic subgroups. This one is for older workers, who appear to be particularly hard-hit if they lose their jobs: "...Ann Kingston, 59, has not found a steady job since moving back to the Dayton area in November, and she believes her age has played a role in her unsuccessful job hunt. Kingston said employers seem to view her and other older workers as more expensive, less capable of learning new technologies and unmotivated to work hard. Her experience is not uncommon...." Older workers who lost jobs in recession spend longer time without employment This was a pretty good article, showing how employers are biased against the older unemployed, and also former unionized workers. The DDN ran a big front-page story on the collapse of jobs in manufacturing, esp due to off-shoring, in the Sunday paper. Pretty good reporting and analyses by the paper. Unfortunatly this article isnt online.

Downtown America informed some of what I was doing on downtown Dayton..those pix/graphs/maps posts I did on urban renewal on the growth and decline of downtown. Interesting about the downtown interurban terminal. There was a plan for one in Milwaulkee, that also involved a short subway. The deal with Milwaukee is they actually did build a high-speed grade seperated private rigt-of-way into downtown (along the Menominee Valley) from the west, but they never did finish their subway or or build a terminal. I think the Milwaulkee interurban...the "speedrail"...came in on city streets after it sped downtown on the private ROW>

3.89 /gallon, Sunday, Dayton suburbs. Wow. The jump at one station was from 3.76 to 3.89 between Saturday evening and Sunday. This is pretty volatile, no?

mikels article was really enlightening as to whats going on in college these days. Or I guess B-school. Interesting.

^ I did take some graduate courses a few years ago (at WSU) and it was all around group work. I HATED group projects. The entire concept was anathama to me. We did sort of work in a group in architecture studio, but the studio enviroment wasnt a real group project, we worked on our own projects for the same design problem, and critiqued each others solutions over the course of the term. It was a different kind of learning than these impromptu forced group things that they had us work on. It added this whole social dimension to the class that complicated things.

Sacramento now has a larger metro area in population that both Cincy and Cleveland? Wow. Seriously. In 1947 Sacramento and Canton were roughly the same size. Look at what happened in 60 years or so! 24 Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA Metro Area 2226009 25 Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Roseville, CA Metro Area 2149127 26 San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX Metro Area 2142508 27 Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL Metro Area 2134411 28 Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN Metro Area 2130151 29 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH Metro Area 2077240 30 Kansas City, MO-KS Metro Area 2035334

Seems like a downtown/Findlay loop would work good. Findlay could be a tourist attraction in its own right, but it also helps if people want to go grocery shopping and live downtown. Now, if I recall correct (sure its upthread somethwere), wasnt the original plan pretty much to stay in the basin, and the route up-the-hill to the UC area was a later addition to the project? Why would there be opposition to going back to the original plan?