Jeffery

Fluffing some old St Annes Hill historical geography posts as a backgrounder for Zachariah's pix (and for Daytonnian since he's interested...) St Annes Hill: plat history + big houses St Annes Hill: Changing East Fifth Street St Annes Hill Corner Stores

There are crowds there on weekends. That energy is what makes the place interesting at night, since the dance and music places are somewhat clustered together...

No. This building will never go empty. Its one of the most prestigous addresses downtown. But it does have a 20% vacancy rate, or had that recently.

San Francisco has them too.

Fluffing an Oregon thread by yours truly...this is one of my favorite threads (by me) here at Urban Ohio: Speculations on the origins of a Dayton house type: The Folk Process in Dayton's Oregon

Heres a line entering a shopping center east of town ...they ended up having to buy buses from Skoda in the Czech Republic since they dont make them in the US anymore. I think there are just 3 or 4 other cities in the US and Canada that have similar systems, but they are more common in Europe.

South Side Bridge with the art deco piers. Nice. The Kanawha is impressively wide at Charleston...this must be one of the wider Ohio tributaries beyond Pittsburgh. Its been a long time but I recall dwtwn Charleston to be pretty densely developed. Maybe its the narrow streets on angles.

Marketing works if there's a market to be tapped. Which is questionable. Though the mix of retail/bars/restaurants changes over time there hasn't been much expansion of the offerings. The most sucessfull additional offering so far has been the Dublin Pub. Two of the restaurants that opened there in the 1990s have went bankrupt, and one closed. So maybe this is as good as it's going to get given the demographics in Dayton. A Noahs Ark of old Dayton style. Since at least one of each house type and buisness block has been preserved in the Oregon they can finish tearing down the rest of the city.

Maybe it's time to fluff those St Annes Hill history threads?

The residential portion is the best part. 5th is pretty sad when you think this could have been the Short North of Dayton but is instead pretty lame.

...here's your sign: link

You can have vacant lots and abandoned houses, or you can have vacant lots with stuff on them and abandoned houses painted up. Both look like crap, but one is everywhere in Detroit and the other is only in one place, hence "special". Voila, "art"!

The demographic decline of Appalachian Ohio. One wonders how this parallels what happend in Kentucky and West Virginia. Probably a few things going on...automation and decline of mining employment in rural areas at first, then the industrial decline of places like Steubenville and Portsmouth later?

...this has been happening since before the reccession. White Flight on a statewide scale.

^ where did your grandfather immigrate from?

^ Thats the idea, that Austin Road is to be another Union Center. It's fascinating watching this transition to "Cin-Day". Yesterday down to IKEA, I drove the old Cin-Day Raod to see how things are booming, and its really noticeable in Lemon Township, too, now..but especially in Liberty Township and at that intersection with I-75, the new retail stuff popping up. It was years since Ive driven that road so he changes are noticeable.

^ Yeah, I was on my way back from a ligonberry soda run to IKEA today and noticed the massive traffic jams. Wow.

After seeing the intermediate stops being considered ...no, I can't understand leaving Akron out. These are five possible stops between Cincy & Dayton. This starts to become a commuter service or some metro rail service vs a statewide regional rail thing.

Believe me, if any of you would have seen the area back in, say, the early 1990s, you would be astounded as to how far this place has already come. Its only a few streets and that busy street on 3rd, but this is one of the best comebacks in the entire state, considering how deteriorated it was before.

Germantown was settled by Germans from Pennsylvania. The "Land of the Cross Tipped Churches", say the area south of Grand Lake, between Minster and New Bremen and Fort Loramie westerward to US 125 and the Indiana line had a big rural German settlement, mostly Catholic. Their churches are monumental, features in the landscape. There is a little one-room museum in the Maria Stein convent that has a little history of the area. The Shrine of the Holy Relics would be worth that side trip in and of itself. Minster and New Bremen were German settlements. The German sections of Dayton that survived urban renewal are Oregon, St Annes Hill, and Twin Towers...I think the Germans settled parts of South Park and Old North Dayton, too. The Catholic churches on Bainbrige and Xenia Avenue were originally German congregations spinning off from Emmanual, the mother parish of Catholic Dayton.

Yeah, I know about this neighborhood as I used to have some aquintenances who lived there...even went to a small party in the old firehouse. BTW, the WSU library has an collection of Jayne Reece stuff in their special collections, including pix of the remodelling of the firehouse into her studio/home.

What bothers me about that street is that its a lot like the pedestrian streets...they are called "courts"...in Louisville. In Louisville these are desirable places to live, usually kept up even if the neighborhood isn't so hot. So it's disturbing to see one in this shape.

^ ^ could be. I think of south suburban Centerville,that didnt lose all its old stuff. But here its different, and the replaement buildings so generic. The historic society says that there are no old buildings left on the original plat of Vandalia. It is. Notice that I don't post stuff like this very often.

Audubon Park is a mess. I drove by there the other day and there's about a summers-worth of overgrown grass and vegitation on some of the properties, which is quite visible if you look down the court.

^ If one graphs out metro area numbers one can see how things start to flatline after 1970, which indicates the move into a new era re economic and population growth.