Michael L. Redmond

The site of the first picture could so easily be restored back to look exactly like that. A house collapsed there about a year ago at 19 Peete and the whole area is just overgrown.

I believe she did one of Glencoe as well. We have been debating for a while about whether the house at the top of the Fintz st steps is my house or if it is a house on the north side of the street that is no longer there. It can not be the house next to the steps because we have a photo from David Day's father that shows a full grown tree at that location dating back to 1927. Also that photo shows Goethe extending over much further than it does now. I heard from a lady who's grandparents lived in my house (and she is in her 80's) that they were lost to a land slide. I believe the maps dating back show that as Quarry St.

Rhino's has always had its "regulars" but I am sure they are benefiting, it would be hard not to. Same with Below Zero, I know they are benefiting. And with Ball North and South and above Kaldis being developed now, others like Pitifuls will benefit to. The place to watch though is Grammers. This summer I think that place will be incredibly popular. Speakeasy has the opportunity to be the southern hangout more accessible to the Q and from Speakeasy you can go back and forth from Cue in the back so that will benefit both. But for just hanging out, Pitifuls is hard to beat. I go in there just to talk to Bob. That along with Kevin at Milton's are really personality driven bars and just have a great feel to them.

I think it is similar to that of the 6 million dollar man.

It isn't mine either but it is others. If we can do a mix, something for everyone then we will have a successful Main. Speakeasy will be much more my speed and the JHall location will be for someone else and Mixx for someone else and so on. Cue is just the first, not the only venue in this phase.

Max, I think you had him at "dog died... on the sidewalk" :wink:

When you look at it this way, and I do, how then does it sound when people say that we should keep the poor in OTR and in the West End? They themeselves are constantly looking to better their own situation for their own families, but not the poor--keep them here, lock them into a de facto prison and do not let them escape. I have no doubt that the history of OTR will be rewritten. I have no doubt that it will be said that OTR was a place where the poor lived in harmony in all those beautiful lofts until 3CDC moved in and kicked them all out. People even believe this today because they either forget what it was or blinded by their own agendas. If you want to be upset with someone, be upset with the people who want to keep the poor here and thereby keeping them out of their community. I hear gentrification every day when we have a voluntary exodus. I hear NIMBY everyday when we have a social service for every block of OTR. I hear kicking out blacks when we still are an overwhelmingly black community. Be upset with those people. Call them the racist, call them the gentrifiers, call them the NIMBY's, call them the people who will do anything to stop a community that has been decimated with crime and neglect from getting back onto its feet again and be a safe and clean environment for everyone. I hope one day no one will say that OTR is a white community, a black community, a rich community, a poor community but instead a community that I, regardless of who I am, would want to live in, would want to raise my children in, and would be proud to tell anyone this is MY COMMUNITY!

We call it the BP building because of the color scheme. Doug doesn't own it and I am not sure if it is simply a paint job or if any real work is being done to the whole building. Now the building next to the garden by the basketball courts is being redone as well. Doug hasn't done anything except clean out a building on Seitz with the yellow boards on the windows.

It is generally the people who live here who do not have an issue with it and the people who are looking from the outside in who say it is impossible. That is probably the reason they are living on the outside because they themselves would not want to live next to someone different from them. OTR is for every race, sexual orientation and income level, but sadly still not for everyone.

From what I hear you will like what is coming if you liked what was there. I hear that it is going to be a "bar" not a club and very much on the same lines as Jhall.

I am hearing rumors. Not Jhall, but at Jhall.

The Metropolitan and the Dennison both and those are just the big ones. The supply is in the neighborhood of 500 vacant buildings and the demand at places like Gateway has been approx 70 units (I am including some pendings), not buildings. I think we have a lot of supply to work through and a lot of supply is being redeveloped into low income housing--OTR Housing Network and Model Management on Mulberry, Peete, E. Clifton, Republic, and Pleasant. And think about it, who is emptying these buildings. Why did Denhart go bankrupt? Why are the Robininis having to sell of their buildings at Frintz and E. Clifton? The people who occupied those buildings are choosing to live someplace better than in a neglected, delapidated building in the middle of the hood. The buildings are emptying themeselves because of peoples power to exercise a voucher elsewhere. Sunday, August 19, 2001 Land shifts for a landlord He gathered a big block of low-income housing with federal help, but now the government is changing the rules http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2001/08/19/fin_land_shifts_for.html So does this mean that I, who moved into a vacant house on Mulberry "displaced" anyone? OTR redevelopment is more than about section 8 vs Market rate. There are market rate-affordable housing that allows for a "soft second" which is a fogivable second mortage to those who fall below the median income levels. This allows for an in between as well as opposed to simply "rich vs poor". A lower crime rate is in everyones interest, regardless of your income. As a matter of fact, I would say that it is in the lower incomes person interest even more so as the vast majority of crimes were taking place against them, not just by them.

Huh? We already have it at Liberty and Race as I mentioned above and no one is complaining about it. No one is complaining about the business, people are questioning the location. This is the first building, and extremely visible as you are driving North on Main and entering the Dist. This is directly across from Cue, Speakeasy, JHall (that I think is close to being signed), next to MIXX and the soon to be reopened Harrys. This building will be dark while the others are open. I am not completely convinced it will be a temp agency now as nothing has happened to the building in 4 months and she took it in her own name vs the company. It may be a buy and hold or she is looking to release it. But the fear is that no capital improvements are made, as I said in my first post about this. That is the biggest fear of the neighborhood and is this the best location within the neighborhood to place it. So as you can clearly see from this post, and my previous post, my concern is the building, not the agency. One more thing, as I did not make this clear before. That email was not generated by me but from Chris Frutkin. I am not sure about the name but I drive by it daily so I will look again today. Also one went in approx a year ago in the Bayhorse buidling next to the Ft. Washington (approx 623 Main) and see the improvements made to that building, none.

And not because it is any one anything, but a mix of everything. I think we have probably seen the end of Boondogle already. I was hoping for a few good rounds of back and forth but oh well.

I am getting a headache trying to figure out what the agenda is though. Is it anti streetcar, anti development, pro streetcar to Uptown, anti expenditure, pro expenditure so long as it is more, anti streetcar if white people use it....what?

Boondogle, you are all over the place with your arguments here. St. Patricks day must have hit you hard. Does this mean that you support it if it does connect to Uptown? By the end of this discussion you could very well be out in front of City Hall with a Streetcar NOW! sign.

That is the real question. We can go to extremes and say that a city dump is necessary and provides both a needed service and provides employment but would you place it at Fountain Sq. As I said, that is an extreme but is the highest and best use for a building that is in the heart of the Main St. Entertainment Dist best used as a temp agency. We have another such agency on Liberty and Race and would have preferred to see this building that was once considered by the House of Blues go to something that would have been more of an asset to a dist that is struggling to get back on its feet vs a business that will put little to no capital improvements in the building that is at the gateway from the CBD into OTR.

Well for everyone who said that we need to get away from bars on South Main and move towards something else for these spaces today is your day. :| Email this morning.... Main St. Investors: I just found out the Davis Furniture building sold four months ago to a temporary labor agency. I know nothing about this company but think that the wrong operator could negatively impact the street. To this end, I felt we should all be aware of the situation. The buyer is Celine Piri and her company is http://www.taricel.com/

Cincyboondoggle, (if you do not mind, I would like to continue this discussion in great detail. Addresses and names when talking about any accusations about what is happening in OTR. This way both you and I can verify any information as opposed to presenting baseless accusations that can not be backed up with fact.) I live at 103 Mulberry. Both of my next door neighbors at 97 and 109 Mulberry are black. Directly behind me is 101 and 105 Peete that is a 16 unit section 8 building that is all black. I just sold 95 Peete, that is directly adjacent to my home to a black lady who is moving here from Boston. So I will have to disagree with that statement. First, Bortz is associated with Towne Properties and in some ways a competitor of 3CDC although Towne has nothing in OTR. Second, 3CDC does not kick people out of buildings, they let the existing leaseholders fufill their leases and simply do not take new leases on buildings they are rehabbing. Third, 3CDC also has an affiliation with Mary Burke and Karen Blatt (white people) to create 22 new low income housing and Model, which is another dev. under 3CDC is creating a section 8 building right now on the corner of 14th and Race. look it up.... Business Courier of Cincinnati - by Lucy May Senior Staff Reporter Friday, March 7, 2008 The Over-the-Rhine Community Housing Network is working with the Cincinnati Center City Development Corp. to develop a new type of housing for the city's chronically homeless. Model is the largest property owners in Cincinnati right now and own more section 8 buildings(that they purchased from Tom Denhart, another white guy), even across the street from me at 88 Mulberry, and they are primarily black tennants. I am trying to think, what black landlord owns any section 8 buildings in any real numbers in OTR to help out the poor? Art Reckman, white, Mary Burke, white, Karen Blatt, white, Robinini's are Indian I believe. West End at City West which was an HBA project (bunch of primarily white builders) is 60% subsidized housing. There is B2B but they also are one of the developers under 3CDC. I can go on if you like. What is even funnier is that I sat on the Orange County Republican Executive Committee in 2000 and offered a position paper to the CATO Institute on 527's in 2001. A liberal? not exactly. For green building, streetcars and sustainable communities, absolutely because I, like most people, probably even you, want a better and safer place for my family. Efficient vs Non Efficient housing is a matter of common sense, not political view point. Now I have a question for you. Why do you hate people of different colors so much? Why be a racist in a community that is reaching out to others of diffent colors and different income levels? Why do you fear this? Why does having "those" people around uncomfortable for them you? It is sad and I am embarrassed for you.

I disagree with that. 1st, where are the two largest low income communities? OTR and the West End. Where are the two largest employment centers? CBD and Uptown, both of which the streetcar will connect. ok, State your theory and we will go from there. And how do you know I am white? From my picture I am brown with some sort of pinkish tint all packaged in a nice, hugo boss green suit.

I will tell you what Cincyboondoggle, if you create a gentrification thread then I will be happy to have that argument with you building by building here in OTR. We can keep this thread clean and I will discuss with you each development, each building and what the realities are down here as it relates to redevelopment. Set it up, and we will debate. Actually there already is one, so lets discuss your concerns about OTR here http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,15415.0.html

Where in OTR do you live? I ask that because I live on the northern most end of OTR on Mulberry and that is somewhere in the neighborhood of 17 blocks from Fountain Sq. Double that because I now have to walk home and I am at 34 blocks. Now granted, I am both lazy and fat but I still see the importance of linking the two largest employment centers in Cincinnati together that goes beyond my desire to simply get to Fountain Sq..... or the Stadiums, or the arena, or the convention center, or Music Hall, or the restaurants of downtown, or up to UC, or to Findlay Market, or down to work anywhere in the CBD. So I could walk everywhere, but do you? wmwoodward, Welcome!

Have you noticed that No One in OTR is saying, either in this article or otherwise, that fixing Fay will just push crime back down here or someplace else? I think that it is great what they are doing and hope that more and more happens in West Side communities and others, but I wish they would show the same support for us. One day I guess, one day :|.

^You mean 3CDC?

Mulberry St. 134 Mulberry St. to be exact. 2 tiered, fenced in yard. Almost all the neighbors have a dog, and it is very gay friendly, everybody friendly actually. Mulberry is known as being one of the most social streets in OTR/Mt Auburn. City views, 2 car tandem garage, 2 bedroom, hot tub on the rooftop deck. Walking dist. to Main Street and Findlay Market. Disclaimer, I am a real estate agent but this home is owned by friends who are getting ready to put it on the market but it isn't listed yet.