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And they can't seriously change those street angles without demolishing everything. The street angles make for some great views. I especially like the corner where Hickory and Morton come together.

Yeah, I've seen that. With the eventual move of Coco's to that area, why on earth would they tear down some of the more interesting buildings. I wonder if the Coco's move is part of the plan.... They also talk about a Brown to Oregon/Downtown streetcar that would certainly stop right around there. I'm rehabbing and quality, neighborhood appropriate infill. All of South Park looked like this at some point. The area isn't even that big. Let the economy build back up and make some incentives for people to move in. I wonder when/if Esrati will blog on this. I'm interested in his thoughts since he is anti-demolition.

I really hope they don't flatten this part of South Park. I like the odd street angles and quirky houses. My roommate was looking at a few houses around that area. The empty houses there are very cheap. What happened to the Haymarket might happen again. History repeats itself.

Have you tried Ohio Link? I used to get hard to find stuff from other Ohio Universities for classes. I don't know if you're doing university classes, but I think the libraries use this system too.

^ Commuting sucks. Big time. When I lived in the 'burbs in Dayton and taught school and substituted, I spent so much on gas. My '98 Ranger actually does ok on gas all things considered (~25 mpg if I'm good to it). I did my student teaching in Greenville and had to drive 90 minutes round trip every day. That canceled out the money I thought I would save from not living in Athens and finishing up at home. I'm almost certain I could have afforded a place in Dayton had I not been commuting from the 'burbs all the time at $4 per gallon. Once you move out, you just make it work. I never should have moved back in with the folks, but you live and learn. I rarely fill up now, and can walk pretty much everywhere. I now think of a 20 minute drive to my Mom's house as a long drive.

^ Yes, the name of the building was the Schwind. They had really nice flyers. Small floor plans, basically a 1 bedroom dorm for ~$1300 per academic quarter at Sinclair. Furnished also. I think this is a Bob Shiffler development. Is "downtown" going to shift back to 3rd & Main? We will see....

I walked through the Arcade on Friday. Amazing place. I vaguely recall going there when I was young. Our walk-through group talked to the two partners and they seem like the real deal. They are focusing on complete restoration. Outside during Urban nights, they were passing out information about Sinclair CC student housing across the Arcade on Ludlow. Small apartments but the rent was good for being right downtown near the College.I really hope this area gets a boost from the Arcade and Sinclair.

When I hear Dayton, I think of the city I grew up in. We used to live in Five Oaks until 88, move to Butler Township when there were drug related murders in the neighborhood. I moved back to the City of Dayton in 2007 after living in Athens for school. Worked at Stivers, worked for OSU at WPAFB, now looking for a new job. I think the best thing about living in Dayton is the freedom of creativity you can have. It is embarrassingly cheap to live in the City proper. I don't have to bust a 60 week at two jobs to keep my apartment. I have time to work on art, music, make good relationships with friends. Meet interesting people, etc... I think there is definitely something to living in a "depressed" place that breads certain kinds of art and music, culture, etc... I have friends in Columbus and Cincinnati that are in the arts and I don't find it much different than Dayton, just more expensive and slightly arrogant/pretentious because of the location. I really like Columbus and Cincinnati though, that point aside. Mostly, Dayton gets a bad rap from alot of people who never set foot in the city. I think the people here are OK, sometimes a little to ignorant. The party scene is good. I love finding a new bar tucked away in Belmont, the East Side, or even a few right downtown lately (The Embassy, J. Alan's). My favorite thing about Dayton is the music scene, past and present. Guided By Voices and Robert Pollard (the best rock and roll band ever, seriously!), The Breeders, 1970's Funk scene, a few 60'S garage bands that are fun, Jordan Hull, Jesse Remnnant, Drexel Dave Sparks .... My new favorite is The Esther Caulfield Orchestra, a 60's pyschedelic-country of sorts. http://myspace.com/ecorchestra You can download the album "Good Morning Whiskey Breakfast" for free off his label website. Check it out! Many of my friends growing up complained about not having anything to do in Ohio. You have to create it for yourself. These friends have all moved to big cities with ready-made scenes, cultures, and identities. They're all struggling to pay rent and even find temp work. In Dayton I can be my own person and enjoy myself quite a bit, and become reasonable successful career-wise at the same time. Don't know if I be here forever, but for now, it's perfect.

Northridge is an interesting part of town. Bob Pollard of Gudied By Voices lived on Titus Ave. Recorded alot of material in his basement called "The Snakepit". Also yields the title for this album and one of his monikers "The Vampire on Titus" (via the late Jim Shepard of V3)

Can't find an appropriate thread to post this in but... I met JOAN BAEZ at the Trolley Stop in Dayton. She came in with her band. I danced a Virginia Reel with her as my partner. Just another reason why Dayton is the nexus of the Universe. Not the first celebrity I've met there either. Last year I was introduced to Bill Nighy and Paddy Cosidine as well. Even though I have work in 6 hours, I had to drink some beers and tell the world!

I've seen a few here and there. I saw several in Austin last month. The auto-check in at Austin-Bergstrom Airport AA counter was NCR also. I remember being somewhat proud of my city when I saw it at the time... but also somewhat pissed because I stood in line for quite a while before they told everyone they needed to use the auto-check in machines first. Still hard to make sense of all of it. That insider post was informative

Some work I did at Ohio U 03-07: Damn hair on the film! This must be an older version. A fun photo sculpture project. Installed at the Purple Chopsticks in Athens, O for a few days. It poured buckets after I took these. They looked cool afterwards as the type melted into itself. Poignant was one of the comment I got. Got some negatives ones too. I always liked the critiques. My process was to try to remove myself from the work as much as possible so I would get to emotionally defensive when the criticism came. I tried to forget that I made this and blank my mind. Worked sometimes, sometimes it didn't. An Ohioan! In the visor reflection, not Buzz, whose the subject. Part of a series/story I wrote. :) Not the final version, needs some type work. Some undesired tension created with the type too close to the wrench. And I added some background shit that worked when I screen printed it for the final run. Love printmaking. I want to audit some classes at Sinclair so I can get access to an etching press and silkscreen equipment. Friends dog, not taken while at OU. I like the little bug lust out of focal range. And the dog is nice in real life. Not my best ones, but these are the few I have on an server. They make me smile and remember fun times. Photos look strange on computer screens. Need to figure out how to balance them for the web correctly. I miss film, but haven't used it in years. Film is rich and so creamy. I don't regret art school for a second. There were alot of assholes, but made some great friends. Of course there were less talented and more talented folks. I thought I came in the later, but thats hard to place. Everyone develops at different times and in different ways. I found that many of the people who were in art school could do it because their parents were paying for it, and didn't understand how $ worked. It's hard to hold that against anyone, but it sticks in my craw sometimes. I keep in touch with many of them, and they're all mostly in Chicago renting expensive apartments with their parents $. Whatever, good for them I guess. I really enjoyed the university art school setting. It kept me grounded and I had opportunities to take classes I was interested in (Logic, philosophy, history, education courses, etc...). One of my favorite projects was a 40 foot airplane slingshot, where two planes would collide in the middle. Rigged with elastic, upright post and tent stakes, and triggered by cutting a string collison zone. The whole setup fit nicely into a back pack and weighted about 10 pounds. I wonder where those videos and pictures when. Moving sucks cause I throw away to much shit! I still make art, though not at the pace I used to. Gotta pay off some loans with my desk job first. It's more interesting lving a work-life and have an art-life at home. I enjoy the separation. I'd like to get an MFA before 30 and rectify this. Maybe in animation or something with computers. I'm getting some great experience with computer programming at my job now. Everything I get interested in can be justified as art the more I get into it an re-conceptualize it and understand its details. I developed (pun!) some good connections in the film industry after graduation and they've hired me for a few things now and then. Sold a few things here and there, but given more to friends over the years. All the joy I get out of it is the quick process and the moment of the idea. The rest is accounting and marketing, which I'm not the best at. Not terrible either though. Just my two cents. You don't need to go to art school to be an "artist". Some of the most creative people I've met haven't even finished high school. Let me know what you think!

There was a show on making this exact project on PBS this weekend. Interesting stuff. I'll post the show if I find it or see it again.

1874 or 1875. Half a double in an old Dayton neighborhood I rent with two friend. I wonder if it was originally a double. It's one of the biggest and oldest on the street. There is another old double caddy-corner, but that seems like it was definitely built as a double. I'll have to ask the owner next time he comes over.

I honestly don't think Columbus is much better off than the rest of Ohio, especially if you are just starting out. My friends there are having very little luck. Has there been an Ageism discussion? I wonder what everyone's ideas on that are.

Very true. Alot of my friends from Ed classes are in Texas, Florida, all over the states. The brutal market for teachers in Ohio is something you don't realize in school and is very hush hush. I wasn't an Education student as much as a BFA student. Took mostly art classes and then the core Education requirements for a license as well Art Ed Methods. Sucks my program got cut in the budget right after I declared. Oh well, it's in the past.

Ohio exports so many grads. We've many good schools; not so many jobs. I was really close to some teaching positions for Chicago Public but without experience it's tough. Those were rough schools I interviewed for. Would have been exciting and stressful. Maybe in a few years I take a crack at the teaching job market again. Teaching is so much fun and very rewarding. The pay really isn't bad if you know how to budget. Just like any situation.

I graduated in Spring of '08 from Ohio University after finishing up my student teaching (my last course) the previous fall. Had to take some time off to pay for that 3-4 month stint of not working at all. My major was Art Ed., and that market in particular is dead in Ohio. Something like 5 full time jobs in the State, and a few 1/2 time last year. This years is not much better last time I looked. I worked as an adjunct at Stivers School for the Arts in Dayton, substituted and finally found a full time job at Wright-Pat last December, though not exactly in my area. Going to school in Ohio to be a teacher is frustrating, unless you are Science, Math, or Special Ed; you will be hard pressed to find anything. I heard they want to extend the minimum retirement age for teachers also. That will keep the market dead for more years to come. I need to find out how to renew a 2 year provisional teaching license while not actually teaching in a Public School. I'll be pissed if I have to go back to school to keep that current. I won't if that's the case. No jobs in it. I feel bad for the people I graduated with and the new grads this year. It was bad when I was looking, but now its awful. Alot of my friends are without work and barely scraping by, and they have degrees in a variety of fields. Most have moved out of Ohio and Dayton and will never return here to live/work. I read a report online somewhere that said the South and West will recover from the recession, but the Rust Belt looks bleak. I find that hard to believe but that's alot of people's perception of Ohio and the region.

Because they are diluted. It still comes down to your personal abilities. Just my thoughts.

Already mentioned, but this link say it all: http://www.gbvdb.com/artist.asp?artistsort=Guided%20By%20Voices Tobin Sprout of GBV/indie Rock as well. From Dayton I'm pretty sure. His art work is so well done. So are his songs. Sorry, these are large images. Any Daytonians recognize the Wympee?

I went to OU and graduated recently. These fest are fun for about an hour in the day, and really start to suck in the evening. All of block parties were peaceful, no problems. There is a strong jackass contingent in Athens, as we can all see. Underage drinking is an issue at every school. Every school is a "party school" in some ways. Put a mass of 18-21 year old people in small tight-knit community; they're going to drink. I'm certainly not defending the people who throw things and cause violence. There's no excuse for that. If you want to get that drunk, go to a bar. There's something like 25 or 30 less than a mile from that street. That's an entire different discussion. I found a good job about 6 months after I graduated, in Ohio also :wave: Got a great education there. Solid art program. Being concerned about a schools "academic reputation" in terms of job prospects is a joke. They're hiring you and your skills; not a rioter, philanderer, etc...

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/new-owners-complete-arcade-purchase-109061.html New owners complete Arcade purchase DAYTON— The history of Dayton’s downtown arcade officially began a new chapter today. Partners Gunther Berg and Wendell Strutz made the rounds of Montgomery County offices this morning, Wednesday, May 6, to pay the approximately $614,000 balance owed on the complex. Contact this reporter at (937) 225-2362 or [email protected].

There is abook about all 88 of Ohio's Courthouses called: County Courthouses of Ohio by Susan Thrane, and exceptional photography by Tom Patterson and Bill Patterson (my Uncle and Grandfather, respectively) I can't say much for the writing, but the photography in this book is excellent. Tom also has another book about all 50 State Capitals called: State Houses: America's 50 State Capitol Buildings. Amazing photography in this one as well. He was given unique access to many of these buildings.