Map Boy

any word on opening the E. 4th Lola??? I was down there last week and there were still no occupied storefronts...

great photo, zaceman...I've been through there about a dozen times, but have never had a camera on me...there's some uncharacteristic density there (for cleveland) and I can see why people are so adamant about protecting its charm

Where'd you find that Wimby? I'm counting only 14... do tell!

i like the looks of those windows and reflective glass...I hope they manage to keep 'em clean! that's one smoggy street right now! it'll be better in a few years, though, when all the new greenery is in and the bus transit is more eco-friendly...

yeah, nowhere in today's article was there any mention of rail transit connections - commuter/amtrak or the waterfront line...strange. And what happens to the recently renovated Mall C in the northward expansion option??? seems like a waste if they have to dig it up in a few years...

geez, that's ridiculous! the neighborhood's great and all, but really, $750k???

now, the real question: what kind of views can you get from the top floor and rooftops???

quite expensive, indeed, for a housing style that doesn't really have a foothold in Cleveland heights as of yet. I hope it takes off!

Thank you very much for the insightful design options that other projects have presented around the country. I would say that we would expect innovative products from those regions, but was struck by the inclusion of Atlanta! Portland and Seattle, duh, but Atlanta? Good work! I don't know how far along Rysar is in design and development so many of these things that we're debating about are still to be determined. Unless they have their plan already and we're just taking shots after the buzzer... who knows? I do agree with KJP, though, that even if we support the inclusion of these stores in the neighborhood, an autocentric design limits the potential of the development to better the neighborhood down the line and prohibits access by pedestrians. I shop at a Target here in Brooklyn, NY every now and again and I do so because I can walk to it and access it from the sidewalk, not by walking through a sea of parking or taking a shuttle bus from the exterior of the property. I thought that was a thing of the past, really. So, I wouldn't be surprised if this development was more along the lines of the Target and department store that was recently built in University Heghts...University Plaza or something like that. It's not pretty, but it's easy for a driver or a neighborhood resident on foot to get into the place. Similar to the Target in my 'hood. As with many of us, I'm not all too familiar with the area south of the train station, but I guess the optimist and the urban planner in me thinks that this type of development can be built in a way that, decades down the line, it won't be obsolete or an eyesore if the industrial and other non-neighborhoody uses nearby are bought up and redeveloped. This can be a force for positive change and still be very profitable for the developer! They're not mutually exclusive!

definitely! it wouldn't be stealing any views from the windows of the two red brick buildings, that's for sure! i'm excited to see if this gets off the ground (literally) when Pinnacle wraps up...ummm, Spring '05?

what the *#@?!?! this is ridiculous! was he not approached by Wolstein about selling to him? Is he just trying to muck things up? and what is a chain doing buying this land with a proposal like this on the table???

that's my girl!

yes! mad props to YSOH! now, if she could just figure out how to get the photos out of the camera...

How about these ones in Ohio City? At the corner of Clinton Ave. and West 32nd. There's more at www.progressiveurban.com They're not the prettiest just yet, but imagine them with a little life inside and a little more mature greenery on the periphery! Thanks to YSOH for the shots...

from the start of the Viaduct (sorry, I'll get better ones later!)

Arrrrgh! Yet again, foiled by MayDay!!! I suppose I'll post 'em anyways... These are courtesy of YSOH and her steady hand... HA!!!

when can we start parking and shopping???

Damn Mayday! You beat me to it! Mine aren't NEARLY as nice as yours, but I'll post 'em anyways...from June 13th:

ummm...did i NOT provide enough pictures for you? very sophomoric...

Sorry KJP, I was referring to the last post on page 1...we were talking about West 25th Street...

I've heard that Target throws a killer party... actually, I went to one once and it was pretty awesome!

one more perspective:

for context, from the City of Cleveland's Lakefront Plan pages:

Great food for thought on the future of Dike 14, just north of MLK and Gordon Park on Cleveland's East Side... http://www.wcpn.org/news/2005/04_06/0610dike14.html Movement on Dike 14 Aired June 10, 2005 For years local bird-watching, conservation and environmental education groups have been clamoring for public access to Dike 14, a contained disposal facility for polluted sediments dredged from the Cuyahoga River near Gordon State Park. Now it looks like they’re finally going to get it. But as the city of Cleveland moves ahead with implementing its lakefront master plan for the 88-acre site, questions about the risks to humans and wildlife remain. ideastream's Karen Schaefer has the report. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/cbongorno/Dike14View.jpg also check out: http://www.balancedlivingmag.com/2005/January%20-%20February%202005/Dike%2014.htm

yes, and this can happen either on the flats level, where there's plenty of developable land to the north, or further west, where the Viaduct merges into Ohio City. I know the terrain is difficult in the latter case, but I can see this evolving as even more of a unique spot in Cleveland where townhomes take the shape of the streets and hills and retail fits snugly into future growth. Just imagine this as the gateway to a fully built-out West Bank somewhere in the not-too-distant future! (fingers crossed) it's especially feasible as this turns into more of a 24-hour part of town with the new and proposed office buildings, residential growth, and existing entertainment complexes of the West Bank.