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well, it better be spectacular when it's finished...that's all I have to say! 4 years...sheesh

too late...i just talked to some old ladies and they sold it to me for a few boxes of saltines and some raisins

I'm with Peter Lawson Jones...keep the tower and spruce it up a little bit...but dear me, don't hurt our rotunda! Cover that glass with a hundred thousand pillows if you must!

the general site was listed earlier, but this page has all the info for those of us who aren't intimately familiar with the old LTV property or the Jennings Freeway... http://www.goodmanrealestate.com/property.asp?idProperty=32# I'm buying Riverside Cemetary and building a gated community with big McMansions in between the gravestones...

There'd better be some sort of pact with the developers that they invest in some true urban development in the VERY near future...I mean, come on...if Jane is throwing herself out there for them, the least they could do is make another big profit off a development that we urbanists would actually like to see! I'm with the rest of us hosers who don't know where the h-e-double hockey stick this is... Is the possibility of spinoff development and further brownfield redevelopment a remote or reasonable possibility???

this is the juvenile center that's being built around E. 55th?

seems that site has some glitches...dig the Zelda music, though!

And from what I've seen of the Forest City proposal...there just isn't much to see. It just looked like they were trying to cram something unattractive and impractical into a spot that really can't handle what they're asking of it. If we've got to do this (which we all know I'm not really into), I'm 100% behind the current site, with expansion to the Cuyahoga County offices site in the near future, when the move to the Ameritrust site!

"I think we need to wait for the convention center for more lodging to pop up." I disagree...boutique hotels don't necessarily rely on convention center-type traffic to thrive. They're more for the hip, young traveler who wants to hang out in real neighborhoods where real nightlife and residents can be found. I know this is what I look for when I go out of town for a weekend getaway...boutique hotels and B&Bs. I also know that folks in my company, which is NYC non-profit, travel to the midwest quite frequently for small meetings and site visits to their projects. Places like KC, Cincinnati, Cleveland...mid-sized cities, filled with pockets of character. But if you were to just settle for an airport hotel or a big-time downtown hotel, you'd miss out on a lot of this. My boss, in particular, is big on checking out the boutique hotels whenever she travels. I think she likes supporting smaller scale businesses and definitely enjoys staying in more functional neighborhoods, rather than the financial CBD. I think a spinoff boutique hotel or one as a part of this project would do quite well.

yeah, about that boardwalk...it's funny to think of those benches just looking over at a whole lotta nothing...I hope there's a sea of construction cranes over the river by the time people are sitting down to relax by the riverside! Next, the old post and heavy chain routine...is that still the standard? I know the majority of North Coast Harbor has this design, but is it the best idea for a potentially crowded boardwalk? I'm sure we're due for a lot more design, but I'd like to see something more along the lines of a handsome 4-foot iron fence that you can lean up against without fear of falling into a river that could catch fire at any moment! and what about a connection to the future Whiskey Island park??? something across the rail bridge perhaps? Portland Steel Bridge is the same sort of lift bridge and it accommodates commercial and amtrak rail and has a great pedestrian component to it that connects two riverfront parks. how 'bout it?

Ok, I could accept the brownfield remediation excuse, but it's not like there wasn't stuff on here already...I suppose it's better to get 'er done right, though, rather than finding out in 20 years that the thing is sliding into the Cuyahoga or that radiation has been soaking up through the beams for two decades. As for phases...that would be ok, I guess, but it's no larger than Crocker park's initial opening section, right? Why couldn't it all be done at once? One exciting bit to think about, though, is that by 2007/8, there may be new ground struck to the north, east, and west...the towpath trail could be further north by then...the Browns could be winning...possibilities galore! And on the subject of the "every day riverfront development" feeling of this project, I have a couple comments. One, I think this one has the potential, with the boardwalk and the plaza and the size of the river, to be much more intimately tied to the water. The buildings sort of hug the curve and the promenade definitely does. As for the architecture, we don't know yet what it's going to look like...materials, design, etc...I'm pretty sure these pics are all just concepts. And finally, I'm envisioning this more like Tribeca than South Street Seaport...SSS is an outdoor mall...this will be different. (fingers tightly crossed!)

First, a reply to the last post...I just spent a morning touring a new building here in Manhattan that sits not only above Houston, 2nd Ave, and the Bowery (all VERY busy streets), but also above 4 subway lines. We were in the building for about 2 hours and the only time I heard traffic was when we were on the sidewalk and the subway when we were in the basement, checking out the pool! We commented on this to the developer and he said it was a welcome side-effect of the materials that they used in conforming with NYC energy and building codes. Thick glass and sturdy supports and walls...higher cost, but far better product. Next, my reaction to the images and article: I like the plan, the scale, the public space, and especially the ideology... And my only comment about the article? 2009??? WTF??? Can we not build faster than that? Maybe they're talking about opening it it phases...but come on...four years if they break ground this year???

anyone know when Browns tix go on sale??? or the best place to get them? I haven't been to a game in so long, I'm afraid I'm in for some sticker shock...what are they going for these days anyways?

I'll put in $25.

man, those pictures just break my heart...more people than cars...no parking lots...active storefronts... by the way...anyone want to fund the unsheathing of the opposite corner (SW) of 9th and Euclid? I hear there's a beautiful building under there somewhere too!

I guess the boundaries are a little smaller than I had previously expected. And I didn't realize it entailed demolition of existing "historic" structures. Though, if we want public access to the waterfront, I guess there's no choice.... I'm excited to see this spill over (eventually) to north of the Norfolk Southern tracks. There was a plan several years back for a World Trade Center of Cleveland office complex & hotel that included building over the Waterfront Line and featured a new station inside the complex. I'm assuming this has been dead for years, but it demonstrates that the potential for an additional station is pretty reasonable. Can't wait for monday!

well, if being a proactive mayor is what it takes to get things done, then so be it!

these stories have been dormant for months and now it's springtime and they're all budding again...beautiful! this helps my cleveland self esteem levels considerably.

absolutely! and I really can't wait to hear about all the possible retailers...hold your breath for monday!

Yeah, thanks for the Wild Oats correction...it occurred to me on the subway yesterday and I got embarrassed, which is just silly when you think about it! Is the new Dave's in at Shaker Square? I heard about this a while back... Glad to hear about the apparent traffic at Constantino's. I plan on riding my bike a lot when I get back to town and when you're on a bike, the distance between the Urban Affairs building and West 9th ain't that bad... I'll be lunching there this August! Does anyone enjoy Rocco's? I believe that's the name...the cafe at the base of the 1927 Hubbell & Benes tower at 750 Huron Road. I had a nice lunch there while home in March, but it was nearly empty the entire time I was there.

it's not like they're overseen by the same authority...oh, wait. yeah, they are!

what's exciting is that they're not "hacker proof," as they say here. Just think if these were up a few months back during the heat of the presidential election season...muckraking galore!

looking forward to an update! unfortunately, if they're waiting for Pinnacle construction to get off their lot, it could be a while!

Yeah, that site's a lot of fun to look at. It paints a very optimisitc impression of the not-too-distant future. On the subject of 668...I was told that the major allure to that building, aside from location, is the fact that historic renovation tax credits could be used to fund a major portion of the costs. This surprised me because I had no idea that the building was anything special. So, who has pictures of what it looked like before that ugly facade was put on and was subsequently stripped to it's present existence as a building that looks as thought it could just crumble to the ground at any moment???

Yeah, 300 units isn't that considerable, but there's already so much residential down there and not as much commercial/retail diversity. So, commercial focus is ok by me! And spinoff residential will surely follow once this one gets moving. You can bet on it! I'm stoked...