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I don't think the clinic's knocking down its "Foundation House" anytime soon- they spent a lot of money on it just a few years ago. But I guess they could always use a nice sliver parking next door. Which would be really lame. -- Straphanger ....And yet we praise the clinic so much in this city. If they are in any way involved in that church demo request......Letting them have so much power and become the stewards of preserving history in this area/neighborhood is like putting Dracula in charge of a blood bank. Who would be an appropriate body to send letters advocating against the demolition at the planning commission? Is this Bob Brown or he is county, right?

There are many good observations in all the above posts. Many summed up pretty much how I would summarize. I guess there is really no hard core lines and answers as to who may be more aware/knowledgeable of their area in some of the ways I mentioned. Some in the core know a lot about the core and region..... and some in the outside know a lot. There is a mix. I think HTS had a good and concise assessment. I know that there are many suburban people who are well aware of their core city and region, but then again there are those who haven't got a clue. The same can be said for those in the core, some know, some don't. I guess I am just amazed about how many people in or out are not as aware as they could be about their city/metro area,....or the fact that they are a part of one big metro area.

^ Well said! And with that, I had a thought today... I just wonder that as/if other nearby states---or states in general go forward---or continue to make working models of rail and reap all the related benefits while Ohio continues to be left in the smoke---that somehow, someway this would knock in Kasich's/anti-railers heads...and that by embarrassment alone, as we become the laughing stock as a state with the most population but with no/little rail options.....that such would give this state a serious wake up call and kick in the tail. For goodness sakes...Campaigns promoting casinos barked at how all the other states had casinos except Ohio, and how much we're losing bla..bla..bla... So maybe the same logic will surface when the realities hit in how much of a fruitful thing we are bypassing as rail bypasses us.... and stimulates goodness in other places.

This perhaps belongs on Urban Bar, but I just thought I would throw this out for discussion and opinion. The thought/question is: In Greater Cleveland....from your personal experiences.....Who do you feel is generally more knowledgeable about their core city and region? (metro area)... Are suburbanites more familiar with knowing a lot about the core and region and its art, history, culture, entertainment, etc OR...do you think that those who live in the core or inner ring are more familiar with all this sort of thing?

Just thought I would post this. The cube on the square (Flaming Ice Cube) now delivers to adjacent neighborhoods near downtown in the city.... Tremont, Asiatown, Ohio City, Detroit Shoreway, etc..... Winter is here so try some of their fantastic made from scratch fresh and hearty soups! Here is the exact information from the site... http://www.flamingice.com/ClevelandInfo.html

Oh the lot.... Such an embarrassing sight and leaves me at a loss for words when trying to explain this vacant hole in the heart of the city when I have guests in town. Maybe a nice brick wall with ivy can at least hide it!

As a local and independent business supporter and advocate for local food and economies....Don't even get me started on this one. I have posted enough about "Mall Wart" on another thread....and yes, I intended to spell it that way. I will just say that I have never, or will never set foot inside of one of these obnoxious things. The unseen or unheard cost of low price is so well documented these days that it is as common as the information available about the health impacts of smoking. There are at least three well written books about this on sale at Visible Voice Books right now...and other stores as well as all over the net. They and I say "they" because they are the targeted subject and the biggest.... do mostly the opposite of all they say they do, but just have a very deceptive and powerful PR machine making people think they are their benefactor. Nothing is done to stimulate local and self sustaining economies and all is done to flood/saturate the market with cheap Chinese plastic crap as well as a host of terrible items disguised as food products. There are those who swear this place is a valued addition but when one does the homework, the untold realities and truths are revealed. This is none other but a poop stain on the American retail scene and life CAN exist without them. F***! Them! Good bye local character and personality because we will all be shopping at the same place soon! I don;t care how you disguise them..they are what they are. This is just my vote..and I would vote no to the high cost of low price.

^ Exactly. Websites these days are essential to such projects and doing business to this scale and if you cannot even afford to make a few tweaks on that, then how sad. Its kind of analogous to a salesman without a business card.

Just don't rent from a guy who's name rhymes with "Knarly Nutts"

I hope a exterior cleaning for this building is eventually planned. It is starting to look really dirty.

Ahhh...how convenient that all this comes out after the money is gone. And it is no surprise to see the supporters of Kasich's campaign being who they were and the correlation between that and his position. Just follow the money trail to the special interests. What a joke!

Try it now...

^ Great post! Whenever I think of Charlotte, I think of Amway conventions and some people like Pastor Gas. :-) Just kidding....its a nice city, but I thought of this stuff because when I was actually involved with Amway a long long time ago, the tapes they gave us were from Charlotte, and the conventions were often in Charlotte.....And, many of the members at the conventions were arm swaying and really big into "praise the lord" Also, I agree with how you have described it in contrast to Cleveland. It lacks the bones and feel of something that has been established a long time and with permanence.

Let's stop relying so much on "the big guy" to come in and do it all for us, A.K.A. "Just give me a job." While maintaining what we have in that sector is important, and attracting new interest as well.....Let's not forget about promoting a little more of independent entrepreneurship and set the economic stage for such to foster. Small contributions, collectively, add up to make big ones that also provide employment and the economic diversity that breeds stability. These smaller and independent efforts combined will "save" Cleveland...not the big Lone Ranger coming in with promises of saving the day as we have for too long depended upon...waiting for, like Linus waiting for the Great Pumkin. I think we're doing this in many ways a lot, but the small efforts are seldom covered in the mainstream media. We mostly hear about big stuff.

Good article outlining the smaller efforts that will collectively add up to make big ones. Inviting the world again is something I am finally glad was mentioned in a publication such as the PD. A hundred years from now, if we are still around as a race of beings, we just may look back at this time many see as the panacea for all Cleveland will ever be..in a bad light, as a mere glimpse of time in our overall history that was simply a time of struggle and re-invention, re-thinking, re-imagining and creating new visions that were the cornerstones and roads laid out to the next age of prosperity.

BINGO! You said it! And because the public is kept numb and dumb on the issue, by a news media that refuses to do their job, they'll remain numb and dumb to the issue. So instead of a public that alters their opinions to fit the facts, we have one that sees facts altered to fit their opinions. OR, facts not presented at all.

In theory I support this, but reality teaches me that opening the gates to the gorgeous national park to even more visitation could/would eventually compromise the bio-integrity of this green treasure. I mentioned this way up thread. This may sound callous, but until people learn how to respect such places more, including their own property, (meaning in part not pitching crap on the ground) maybe we should just keep the park secluded. In a perfect world where we would revere such natural treasures the way the characters on Avatar did, or even a fraction of what those characters understood, I see some potential negative invasion into the system if more easy access is given. I truly hope I am wrong, as I actually like the idea of the extension and support it....and I know many of you will disagree with what I am saying, but working in State Parks and around such related environments for many, many years has taught me a big lesson when they're over promoted and given over-easy access to every idiot under the sun. Increased funding won't fix behavior, or lack there-of, even if it is just a few who do so. A few bad apples spoil a bunch as the saying goes. So unless this park, at the same time, prepares itself with a staff team and enforcement system of the park rules and Ohio state laws regarding such...along with educational components of proper stewardship.... (and based on the current models we have which lack due to lack of staffing/resources--and are the first entities to get cut when cuts are made) Well, just ask places like Yosemite or Hawaii what happens. Even if they did prepare, less encroachment is always the best thing for such buffer zones which help keep our air and water cleaner and offer a place of solitude amidst the concrete oceans. And, Ohio is special because we are near the bottom in available public lands like CVNP....yet near the top in visitation, which obviously says something about the demand for such, and that until we set aside more lands...maybe its not a great idea to overstuff them with more and more people. Sadly, state leaders too often, fail to recognize the need for. As one who once walked many trails on a daily basis in many parks for litter clean-ups, one gets a hard core slap of reality about saturation of visiting and making parks too user friendly. Again, I hope I would be wrong, but I doubt it...and I don't mean to be the turd-in-the- punchbowl about this but we need to recognize and be prepared for this sort of thing if we want to preserve the alluring integrity of these places that attract people in the first place. People who respect and cherish them.... and who take pride on our region's natural heritage and why it is so valuable beyond monetary views, will understand where I am coming from. (and actually, keeping them as pristine as possible DOES have money value, but that is another story, another day in itself) I know intrinsically, this extension can be a good thing, but some of this I point out is just the annoying inconvenient truths. I would just hate to see our gems end up looking not-so-nice once you get there...and are not quite as nice looking as they were in photos. We should strive to make it the other way around. By the way, I posted this thought not to start some "I'm right...you are wrong pissing match" I posted it merely to offer a point of view that often gets neglected, but nonetheless is important to consider so I would appreciate respect to it without condescending/nasty remarks or those that get personal. Nothing I wrote is personal, all rhetorical, so I appreciate the same.

We will be needing some cleaning soon. I will keep the news posted on that. The Mona Lisa photo looks good...Thanks for that. Most of the photos of the project will be available on Flickr. The link is provided above. If anyone wants to take photos of any windows and post, like the one above, that is appreciated as well. We tried to get the windows done on E. 6th in the PNC space, however, we were informed from their HQ that they had intended on not occupying that space anymore. Sorry that cannot be a go for now, but it surely would have livened up a rather void space. :-(

I wish this street had more diversity. Its really just becoming a large outdoor food court.

That is good.... But the other problems with small towns, or big cities.... is that they don't care as long as it is dumped on someone..or in someplace else! Ie: New York garbage to Ohio.

^ True, but that can be another whole issue unto itself. And even if they did, right now, it would be delivered in such a style that plots one party against another, and really does not aim to offer solutions to anything, and thus creating more division.

I agree with this statement a lot....... And that we do need to take our own problems more seriously. By that I mean we, as Cleveland boosters, should be able to come together at the table and define our problems and what to do about them without someone always pulling a "you're a naysayer, anti-Cleveland" card, and weed the good ideas out of the discussion that can help produce a balance of good for the whole community in general, not just a few. When we are verbally handcuffed from addressing a problem and ideas on how to make it right, we are held back as a city, and nothing gets done. The thing I do not like about the PD, however, is that the writing style is often simply too sensationalistic in such a style that seems to beacon to a lot of the negative or angry suburbanite community, somehow needing its negative opinions about Cleveland proper validated in ink. "Seee.. I TOLD YA SO!!!...It says it RIGHT here in the paper!!!", in other words. Such IS a good formula for selling tabloid-ish type papers, but is not doing its duty to factually and accurately inform. We can do our own constructive criticism here---as we should---and I have said that again and again, but constructive criticism without offering up an idea for fixing a given situation---and instead tears down with typical negative "woe-is-us...we suck...everything is working great everyplace else" commentary---is NOT, imo, constructive at all..... Rather, it is destructive criticism...and that is what this paper has mostly done, and such does little if anything to generate and foster much needed better civic pride. Pride is free and can do wonders for motivating a community to action, when people are taught to actually give a damn about their community, and why they should...what they should be proud of, etc..etc. This is a kind of social responsibility where the paper has failed miserably. That's just how I see it though. And yes, I agree the positive Pitt hype is largely over waxed... A spectacular skyline and successful football team can be deceiving. I am there frequently and there are many usual signs of problems and issues all their own...But, just because they.....or any other place has them.... is not a signal for us to relax, become complacent and sit on our laurels. We should always be striving for better...and not be content with mediocrity or slack, just because other places have the same/similar issues too....and offer up the usual... "These problems are not exclusive to Cleveland" thing.. Although, I admit, many around here seem to think they are, and maybe that has a bit to do with how the paper has failed to help stimulate civic pride...back to what I was saying above.

Reminds me, what plans in Cleveland for NY? Anything special anywhere?

7 Roses is great. I was there yesterday. On the bakery...Shame how so many have traded this type of bakery scene for this "Giant Eagle" bakery environment, where nothing is baked there, rather, all frozen, shipped, then heated. Every store is the same as the other as well. Few know what really good baked goods are anymore. I would also suspect crime issues in or near this neighborhood to be a factor when such places close (don't know about this particular one, though), but I know some will deny there are any problems with that in the neighborhood, and that everything is just fine, so I won't say anymore about that.

Yes, dozens of times just like you!