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Nice news!.....And remember......The bird, Cleveland...the bird... BE the bird!

Does the glass elevator still work on the Nationwide Plaza Building? Is there still a restaurant on top? Used to love that!

Fair assessment. I would predict the same.

Notice: We are hoping to do the Edgewater sweep again for August---3rd Saturday of the month, (August 21st) same time...11:00 AM To 1:00 PM...same meeting spot at upper lot...same suggestion of bring gloves. I have bags. Participation is appreciated! Please RSVP Yes or No..and if you say "Yes" please show up. The contact line is 330-393-4448 Regards, Rob :-D One thing to note...of all the absurd top ten "bad lists" targeting Cleveland and/or Ohio...the one that has recently placed Ohio as having some of the dirtiest beaches along its waterfronts is legit. So, come on out and help change this perception.

Exactly my point...You summed it up very well, thank you!

Now KJP is getting what I'm talking about! And, mark my word... If everyone moves to all these "better places" to live...then eventually, they will become crappy places! Remember the "less can be more" factors..and don't forget to look at the bird on the other thread, Cleveland.

Loved taking the train coast to coast and getting off at stops...looking at the scenery...walking around on the train. Unforgettable experience. I feel sad for those who have not experienced this.

Says who? read my post at the top and get a different perspective. Who placed a monopoly on the definition of good weather being weather that is only a sunny day? One more "the weather sucks" comment and I will start spewing how much I hate sun 24/7 ...all the negatives that can accompany that...and how I am glad I will never get crows feet! All is ok....when the coasts are under water, maybe some will come crying back to Cleveland. This weather thing really is an absurd criteria for a list. And yes, as someone above indicates.... the weather here is really no worse than other northern cities and winters are not as they're made out to be. Quit being wimps and toughen up.... That's HIP! And I hate that word too. I will never trade sun 24/7 for crisp Autumns in areas like Chagrin Falls where I get the sensation of being in the Legend Of Sleepy Holly story...or somewhere in Silas Marner! As for more on Winter...again, see my top post. Its time people start looking at weather with new perspectives instead of the same old "un-hip" archaic ones. Look at the romantic opportunities it can provide for in not only partnerships, but other ways as well. My next book will be about "What to do in Winter....How to appreciate it...what you can discover...and why we should appreciate it and why it is essential" Basically all that many have forgotten. The more Forbes makes lists like this they admit to drawing straws, lose credibility...and simply need to get another gig.

In the past, many people who love older and historic homes have bought homes in neighborhoods they were not the most thrilled about, but loved the house. But this, of course applies to those who are eccentric types and really into the historic appeal of the house itself and probably not the motivation of the original poster of the Cleveland inquires to which we are answering. But, its interesting because many pioneered Ohio City's turn around under that kind of thinking that actually loves the house itself more than the overall neighborhood. My ultimate goal is to buy an entire neighborhood, rehabilitate the homes.... and promote it to those who share in the vision for what I have envisioned in emphasizing on quality of life, sustainability, environment, and...quality over quantity aspects.

Just for sake of keeping track of how our city gets discovered...What had you looking in this direction? Always interesting to know. On living here, and this is just based on my opinion, I think renting first may be a good option to get a fee for things and many here can make some great suggestions, but later on, buying is good because you can get great deals now, especially if you happen to pick up a foreclosed property... There are many great loan incentives to renovate a house. Since many rents these days rival a mortgage, I am opting back to owning a place again as I have for 7 years...But this is entirely dependent upon your own personal situation. Renting has its advantages so does buying. If you can buy a cheap place that can be actually paid off in a short time with the rehab, then you have a great place for marginal investment...and it is YOURS to make how you would like it. Also, if you really want to be "pioneering" Urban Pioneers, I say go for the gusto and in the spirit of being pioneers who help to gentrify new and lesser untapped areas that have potential and are stable... I say go with that. Old Brooklyn is such a place... I am tending to look at the less popular areas right now to start seeding revitalization in such areas with a handful of others who feel the same. But, if you're not ready to take on all that...then there are plenty of choices that will cover any break-in period of getting familiar with the area.

Kasich.... GOD help us! Oh wait... God is "Republican"...so I guess we will have to just accept it. Uhhh..eventual expatriating looks better each day.

Kasich.... GOD help us!

^ This is exactly what I have been saying for years. The argument is old and very opinionated and perspective. I happen to love seasons and moods in weather. From a natural/artistic perspective it is an interesting thing to me.I happen to think Cleveland looks its best with some eerie misty clouds and fog embracing it. Passionate and sexy weather gives a place personality... For example, I note some attributes about seasons, not necessarily in order.... I love winter because it gives me a chance to get out and do many things that assure I will not encounter too many people and their often bad behavior that accompanies them. I can do winter oriented things and indoors, it is a perfect backdrop for reading by a fireplace. I like going through the metro-parks on a winter late afternoon, seeing clear winter skies...and hearing the silence...nothing but softly howling winds and creaking of trees. It can be magical at the right time...winter sunsets are among the best with the bare trees in the foreground while the sunset glows behind them creating an intricate silhouette of the tree limbs. I also love winter because of all that it provides the moods of the holiday season. Fall is a natural fireworks show of color..and spring represents the re-birth of the land. Now, if I can only do something about noisy lawn care fanatics who spoil my first experience of warmer temperatures by blowing rodent spittle over my way with dirt blowers...where it settles on top of my potato salad. No, its not paprika! So yes, this weather idea that the only preferred or nice weather experience can be found in nothing but sun, (ever notice the dried weathered skin and crows feet of those who get over exposed in sun? Nice tan today, skin cancer tomorrow) to me....is very short sighted, represents a lack of adventure or creativity in how to view the natural world and appreciate it...and someone who assumes that the only possible nice day can be a day dry and sunny. I welcome the storms, the rains, the diversity in weather... People have t learn how to look at such in a totally different way and discover what they're missing. Oh, and by the way, this has been what most would see as a nice summer. Balanced with the right rainfall and warm days... The "bad weather" thing is grotesquely exaggerated and even in Winter...we have a blast for a couple weeks and that's it! Big deal! Get over it and quit being so wimpy.. Getting used to various weather makes one more adaptable and a survivor.

Now that time has passed... In retrospect, I wish the 200 Public Square building would have been built on an already vacant/parking lot...and these buildings restored. They're just the kind Harold Lloyd would have loved to climb. This is sad to watch now.

Well said. These lists are very misleading and when looking at Cleveland anymore, you just cannot include the city proper. Many of these people moving out have NOT left the area...rather, just simply stepped over the imaginary line. Also, does any such list take in account the kind of people Cleveland is gaining..or moving into the city...or the quality over quantity factors? At any rate, this magazine and these absurd lists cannot be taken seriously to the extent of accuracy...But, I do think the city/visitors bureau needs to keep up the fight against this kind of thing, because it is really not doing any favors in terms of efforts to make Cleveland better. I think Forbes tops the list of WORST and inaccurate, misleading lists. This magazine has gone so far right that its WRONG! Also, political corruption is wrong....and we have our share on both side of the fence that needs watch dogging.... But some places may be better at hiding it than us. Bottom line...humans by nature are given to temptation and greed...and are the same beast no matter where you go. If these lists seem to suggest that everywhere else is so politically squeaky clean, such is just gullible and naive..and downright absurd. Someone blow this magazine out of the water please. Is there anyway this magazine can be smeared nationally? A big effort to do so...a campaign to expose a lot of the B.S. of this publication.

The video is in reference to the battery throwing on the field at Browns games. I am sure that those in Cincy, on the other hand, all are perfectly civil, the city is juuussst right...and Proctor and Gamble is a benefactor to the environment. Sad thing is that there are some who would actually believe that sarcasm. :-o Remember Cleveland... LOOK at the bird at the top...LOOK at the bird...BE the bird!

Well, hopefully you're right...and hopefully LI/Cov. won't be taken over by elements that destroy its current quality. "Elements" meaning people who don't know how to behave in a communal setting and trash properties. Hopefully property owners would never become that desperate to rent to such a crowd of yahoos.

Surveys can be crafted in such a way with certain questions that get favorable answers to make it look like that entity which is conducting the survey, is doing a good job.

I have resigned myself to the feeling that this issue will just get worse...and instead of making it right, it will be easier to romanticize it...and it will be glamorized someway as "giving the city character" or some absurd crap notion like that; just like we have slipped into denial and have sugarcoated/glamorized so many other slacking, underachieving shortcomings in society.

Now, if we can only maintain it this way for a long time... The follow up aspects are most important and an often neglected thing.

While I know this might seem trivial to some...But it may have been a nice idea to place some signage around the property of what is supposed to come, so that it does not exude zero. Another basic concept that seems to be missed.

No problem... Just wondering. I have not been in a long time. I really do not like Florida anyway... (not naturally speaking...but what it has become) Haven't fancied it since the mid 70's, really, so just wondered if I did go and needed to fly...that if these were the only things available out of here. I also don't think it would be very "profitable" for Florida to suddenly lose a lot of tourism dollars from the north, either, so perhaps the airlines might want to not conveniently forget that. By the way, I was just doing a flight search and the results showed AA operating from Cleveland. Pretty sure I saw this...

^Thanks! It is my new poster child for Cleveland.

So if I want to go to Orlando or Tampa, I have to take one of these? I remember going 737. I am just tired of these scrap flights.

So with Ohio having as many visitors to Florida as oranges on the orange trees... Is this the only size craft available to get there? Just curious.