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What needs would suit the building? How about instead of reconfiguring all the floors to meet a need for a specific business....How about finding a specific entity to occupy it, where the current configuration needs little changing?

This may sound odd, but does the population include incarcerations? I remember reading (and I know its not greatly credible) a debate in the forum on Cleveland Dot Com about such numbers including those in jail. I just skimmed through it with not much interest, but is this true?

Up to the neck in Mex! No more for me. :-o

^ Amen!

^ But the atmosphere is nice.. I like some of the kitschy looks.... But yes, the food was rather average. Anyone try the new one yet? Murray Hill did make some great suggestions.. Let's go! :-D I still like Corbo's T. Misu. If you are coming from afar and need to park... I always find places up the hill and walk down, but I should not endorse them as legit...as some may be reserved for residents...but I noticed no signage.

Couldn't the floors be gutted, reconfigured...and use be made of multiple floors, or whatever is needed to accommodate the need? Sometimes I feel it is not so much as impossible to do that, or costly, as it is more of the cultural obsession with scrapping the old and building new. Just my opinion and no, I have not been walked through the place to be explained exactly why all this is so seemingly impossible. In the meanwhile, it would be nice if the rotunda, at least could get some kind of cleaning and use for art shows, events, or something of public interest. Such a great building. In its current form, it is analogous to the chick in the bar who would be so hot if she just cleaned up a bit and splashed on some deodorant.

^ Sorry, but both of you may not like what I say...but its just an inconvenient truth, and denial is a tough place. Its a fact, buy it Landon, you'll sleep better! KJP...your vision of America is not mine, so spare speaking for all.

How often do you visit this park? The point is that increased influx of visitation will bring the problems that right now, you may not see; a lot more than just litter. I would love to be able to address this issue in person as it is too long to do it on this forum. But I just wonder....Why is more always better? Why does every place have to become a "Disney Land" of sort? The reason there are a lot of visitors, most of who are the kind CURRENTLY who respect the place, are because it is sandwiched between two large metros. If you start training everyone in....and make it some touristy attraction where anyone and everyone comes, you WILL spoil the place in many ways. I will bet a thousand dollars on that. I want to add that Ohio is near the bottom in such national park space made available and near the top in visitation and/or demand. The visitation issue of our parks getting highly visited is because the available space is actually disproportionate to our population...and you want to start funneling in more via rail? This will only add to the already existing visitors because it is unlikely those who are currently going by car (from all over) will not just jump on the rail and leave the car at home. Here is a more wise approach and priority to this overall issue statewide......How about us working as a state to add more preserved areas first? This way, there will be a little more room for more visitation. It is about balance and right now, the populations that visit our state, local, and national park areas in Ohio is disproportionate to the available space and demand for more space. Bottom line, just funneling in more visitors or making it overly easy for access, given our current public land available/visitor ratio... I give the place two years before I will guarantee that you will see the signs of exactly what I am talking about here. I thought we LOVED these places and cherished them. If we do, then let's start treating them this way with respect and consideration and not loving them to death. Like I have written to the state to promote more rail spending... How about we accompany this by suggesting that we set aside more public land instead of seeing it become McMansionville....and such can even help preserve urban cores in the long run, by forcing urban growth to stay near the cores. I know a host of people who have worked in the park areas who would understand totally where I am coming from on this one. I hope they are not the only ones who do.

^ Funding programs will not simply or suddenly prevent or fix this unique and specific problem if geared only toward cleaning up the mess with more hired staff, either... It needs to be spent very cautiously and wisely to not treat the symptom of the problems I pose, but to prevent them all together.......to promote a different cultural mindset towards the issue via more education/awareness/prevention and law enforcement. Please, I won't argue with you on railroad issues; I hope you will grant me the same consideration of what I know about parks and their staff and maintenance issues, having worked in and around them..and volunteered for a long time. CVNP is not necessarily clogged with cars...weekend are busy, but during the week, it is a great place..peaceful and beautiful, and hardly a plastic bottled water bottle on the ground, or McDonald's trash pitched out of the car window! .

I like the idea in theory...but as a former employee in the arena of state/national parks, I can tell you to be careful for what you wish for. There is such a thing as "loving it to death" Ask Hawaii parks about this...and until we can afford to hire more park personnel to deal with the influx, I don't know that I would want to make it so overly easy for everyone to visit the place because with the current lack of environmental regard for places like Edgewater (which is right under our nose)...and a growing area in the metro-parks, this is sure to bring increased trash/litter and other problems that will surely undermine the whole allure and appeal the park has in the first place. Like RTA and how many come to their defense with the "lack of funding" argument, please afford the same consideration for our national/state/local park systems..because when it comes time for cuts, these are the first things to get attacked in the budget. And, I can tell you right now that they are in no position to suddenly welcome increased influx into the park when it comes to cleaning up after messes or keeping track of other related issues that accompany such visitation numbers. So, I pose the question of what do you want these parks to look and feel like when you go...especially when you are taking out-of-towners? Like the RTA track right of way along the trails....tattered with trash and maybe other things? Until we can work more on raising awareness of litter being serious issue in our state costing millions, then I will settle for limited access by bike trail. Those who hike/bike are the least likely to destroy such a place. I will almost guarantee that the more access you give to this place, the dirtier it will become. So let's try and focus, again, on quality...instead of quantity. This is all just something to think about if you want to preserve the integrity of these places and have them looking better in person than they do on the post card...instead of the other way around. I have seen the above happen. There needs to be a balance in visitation and staff to handle it...and staff who actually WILL. (current issue at Edgewater)

Thanks people... I agree that this is the ideal family activity we need more of. I will see if I can get information about the outdoor deck. Funny how many people remembered going on that one when they were kids. It was brought up several times. Hopefully nice turn-outs will inspire the OBD to be a more regular thing. There were some great books for sale up there and free buttons and nifty looking 1920's style information cards handed out. Not exaggerating, but I must have heard a couple dozen people profess their love for this attraction and feel it would help bring more patrons to other downtown events and businesses. One of the best parts of this---at least on opening day--was that everyone who visited was so respectful of the place and in such wonderful spirits--despite the LeBron drama looming in the air so soon. I hope more people on the forum will get the chance to visit the attraction and writer about your enjoyment of the place. I will also try and get the info. on the audio stream. The media guy told me he would send me a message about it.

^ All very well said. And for the last part about "Main and Main" everyday I see this intersection, in what should arguably be one of the busiest in pedestrian traffic and business, is largely an empty hole..dead zone. I cannot believe that such an iconic intersection, even in this economy, is struggling to get more interest. Yes, I know the Schofield is going on, but this rotunda and tower complex is prime location and I would love to see it restored and made into a multi-use complex. I am a fan of the Breuer tower just wish we could see how this structure could look if cleaned/granite panels polished, etc. The corner gets dingier by the day and surrounding buildings too... At least can owners do something to improve curb appeal in the meanwhile. This is an embarrassing spectacle with that huge complex sitting dead.

Money museum...Yeah! Great observation and another little gem!

Wanted to add this interesting article about cigarette butt litter and what this place is doing. The following from.... OCEAN CITY TODAY New slogan asks OC smokers to ‘think green’ CHRISTINE CULLEN Staff Writer (June 11, 2010) It took a little longer than expected, but the Ocean City Council has picked a logo to go on the city’s cigarette cigarette butt containers to encourage smokers to dispose of them in the proper place. People will be urged to “Think Green, Throw Away Your Nicotine” by using any of the 30 city-owned cigarette disposal containers located throughout town. Read the rest at..... http://www.oceancitytoday.net/news/2010-06-11/Top_News/New_slogan_asks_OC_smokers_to_think_green.html

Yes, but this has many other implications and connections that are non-basketball related that somehow , someway, a message needs to be sent..and example made of this guy to show that you just don't do it like this and walk away clean. I will never coddle or apologize for this classless coward.

^ The state has these. I inquired about why it is not used more at EW since it is the most highly visited of beachfront parks in the state. The best I could get from ODNR is that they had to share it with others. I believe it may get done a few times a year. In reality, such a beach needs this done every day in the peak season. Ridiculous. All I can say is to email people like Glen Cobb at ODNR: [email protected]

He's a lost soul. He is so far behind he thinks he's first. Soooo much growing up to do on many levels.

^ Yes. I don't by into the theory that the floor space is not suitable. Cannot the space be reconfigured to accommodate? There are those who's work is geared around making these sort of things work and I am sure they can demonstrate otherwise. Always Seemed like a cop-out kind of excuse. Isn't this what renovations are for? How about knocking out parts of a floor and even expanding the heights to open up the spaces. The "too small" thing is lame. Make it work. And yes...OMLL ^^ I thought the same thing.

Would this plan involve demolishing the structure to the east of the Rotunda? If so, don't like it.... Just thought I would post this from CDC. Cuyahoga County commissioners ignore plan to turn Ameritrust into county headquarters Published: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:55 AM Laura Johnston, The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Real estate broker Ron Nicklos has a plan to revive Cuyahoga County commissioners' vision of a modern headquarters and to protect the $40 million taxpayers already have invested. But commissioners are ignoring Nicklos' proposal to make over the century-old Ameritrust complex, even as they consider putting the property on the..... Read more at: http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2010/07/cuyahoga_county_commissioners_ignore_plan_to_turn_ameritrust_into_county_headquarters.html

Sorry about the late announcement of the first event...BUT, I hope to see some of you attend the other one below! The sweep..... Let's help keep our shoreline clean! Here are two opportunities to get involved at Edgewater Park in the next couple of weeks: July 10th, 11am - 5pm. Treasure the Beach! Volunteers wanted to staff the FOESP table. Please contact Mandy [email protected]. Or just plan to attend the event: celebration of Clean Beaches Week, clean-up and kids activities. Meet near beach pavilion area. See attached flier. July 17th, 11am-1pm. Clean-up. Informal small group clean-up held the third Saturday of the month. Bring a few trash bags and gloves (optional). PLEASE RSVP to Robert Carillio [email protected] so that he can let you know if the clean-up is canceled. Meet at small lot at upper park. Happy Summer, Mandy Friends of Edgewater State Park

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Just wanted to share that this was a spectacular grand re-opening of the deck today! There were approximately over 600 visitors--ALL--whom had nothing but a fun and positive experience. I was glad to assist with ushering visitors to the deck. There were people from all over, locally...and out of state who were here to see this. Everyone kept saying how great it would be to have it open more, that they would visit, and how it could benefit other businesses nearby and offer a family oriented activity. I participated in a small audio stream that is supposed to air on WCPN. The deck looked fabulous, the day was excellent for weather....and it was just like stepping back into the 1930's and had a very enchanting, charming, historic and "Cinderellaesque-like" feeling!. It was fun hearing memories of much older visitors and their stories of even being able to go to the upper outdoor deck. Anyway, just wanted to share what a big success it was. Hope you will take the time to visit on Sunday, but I will not be there. Thanks to anyone here who visited today!

Don't know about that. I am sure the materials in this new construction will be cheap...and if not meticulously maintained, will soon show the affects of slack. And, as I have indicated many times before..lack of follow up aspects remain an issue here in the mentality. Nothing worse than seeing newer development look like crap soon after it is built.

Refuse to cater to these athletic assholes any longer by building all life around them. Vibrant and healthy life existed before them and will go on well after they're gone. Let's re-discover how we can make that happen. Afterall, the Whos in Whoville went on with life even when the Grinch thought he could steal it away! Don't underestimate the little lesson in that story. I learn from LeBum, and these other athletes....all that I would not want my children to be like. (that in the end, it is about YOURSELF!) I think I'd rather have Jacques Cousteau as a roll model. He shows how all life and actions are intertwined. Here's a fresh idea....How about building a city to attract young minds and talents such as his kind? Offering nothing but booze and sports won't cut it. We're so much more than this and people need to start re-discovering it. Let's set some higher standards.

The media onslaught needs to stop.