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Nice shots.. I do see many groups from time to time working on these areas. You may want to post this in the "Cleveland Best Kept Secrets" Thread too...

Agreed.

Some may think this is off topic... But I really think this relates to educating the public as well as institutions like RTA. I hope that the following Newsweek article will help RTA and others to better understand the value in striving for a less noisy environment and to see why implementing noisy talking buses is just adding to a growing problem. An Unquiet Nation Audio ecologist Gordon Hempton talks about America's vanishing quiet spaces, and how our lives can be helped by listening to the silence. "There are no words that can tell the hidden spirit of the wilderness, that can reveal its mystery, its melancholy, and its charm." —Theodore Roosevelt, 1910 "The day will come when man will have to fight noise as inexorably as cholera and the plague." —Nobel Prize–winning bacteriologist Robert Koch, 1905 Silence is something you assume you will always be able to find if you need it. All you have to do is drive far enough in the right direction, trek through quiet fields or woods, or dive into the sea's belly. For true silence is not noiselessness. As audio ecologist Gordon Hempton defines it, silence is "the complete absence of all audible mechanical vibrations, leaving only the sounds of nature at her most natural. Silence is the presence of everything, undisturbed." Read the whole article at: http://www.newsweek.com/2010/01/27/an-unquiet-nation.html

You will be seeing press releases about this soon. Here is all I will say right at the moment until the paper has the information.... The dates the Observation Deck will be open are: July 10th-11th July 17th-18th July 24th25th July 31st-Aug 1st

My vote....department store grand era mural....1920 to 1970. I have commissioned an artist to do a small sample of what this could look like on a poster...and for a future window make-over.

^ Absolutely cheapening! There is a pervasive social disease these days and it involves being waaaaayyy toooo visually and acoustically overstimulated to the point of addiction. Where is the balance. Just walk around and count the people you see with I-pod speakers growing out of their ears like cysts and cannot go 5 minutes without filling their ear canals with sound. (this is an actual addiction) That's one place I will not be going. I was there one time. Now looks like they will join this stupid trend of imposing noise on their patrons. Count me the restaurants where those did NOT walk in because it was not noisy enough...versus those who will walk out and never come again because the ambiance is too blaring and obnoxious. I think "boring" will eventually be the new "hip" ...a place where you can actually go have a nice intimate dinner and have a real discussion with a partner without SHOUTING OVER THE NOIIISEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! No wonder we're so GD loud!

^ Why, because we cannot discuss matters to the roots of problems?

I agree that change starts from within.... and what SHS is basically saying... There is one element, however that we cannot leave out... and that is, the fact that if we are not producing a healthy, well mannered, critically thinking and articulate populace, then we will not have parents who will likely instill values in individuals that can foster this very important "change from within" component. What follows and as a result.... are a lot of people who are simply lost...who will produce kids who are lost and so on...vicious cycle. (kiddies out at 2:00 AM with diapers on...parents nowhere in sight...or parents walking 50 feet in front of toddlers not paying attention to them on busy streets) Producing this sort of population...might have something to do with who or WHAT is really raising our children.... Is it parents who know how to be good parents and who have been shown role model examples that have socially redeeming value? OR.... Is it all too often, an unaccountable and very powerful media/marketing/television machine that often glamorizes, makes look "cool"... or sugarcoats stupidity... anti-social/lawless behavior or self destructive lifestyles (physically, mentally, socially)...while making being otherwise look like you're a sissy? Here is just one example of unaccountability/social irresponsibility in the marketing place...Have a look at these dandy ads.... http://www.noiseoff.org/ads.php where not one thing is said about a music delivery system---rather--a "noise weapon" is being promoted! I'll bet not one CEO of the company who producs these products would want to live next to the punks who use this crap. Sadly, low self-esteem impressionable youths fall for this sort of crap as though it makes them somebody. The company cashes in at their expense. This is the sort of thing to wise up to and "just say NO" on the social responsibility end of the scale....because such "vulture-istic" (made that word up!) ad campaigns will not change anytime soon unless their is public pressure put on them. At the end of the day, however, those who wish to be poops in our neighborhoods, need to pay the price.

Correct. Glad to see you are coming around on this issue. Really, just look at the 90's in Cleveand. Look at the crime rates. Look at the neighborhoods. But you see.... On our planet...we will not lower our standards to appease the lower ones on this un-evolved satellite. We have come here to set higher ones or you will all be spanked! :whip:

Hello, I am not from this planet... I need some clarification. Please help.....Now let's see if I have this straight......... So unless the human species has something fiddle/toil with, in exchange for these green pieces of paper with dead people's faces on them.... they resort to sticking guns into their brother's back.... and cannot find other more civil ways and means to survive in life? Wow!!!!, on our planet we got past that stage of evolution eons ago. These creatures called "humans" are still quite un-evolved here.

I agree. ...and just to elaborate another perspective.....If you live in an area all your life...you learn by what you see and through intuition......the changes/problems and so on. I would call this a "real life field study", so to speak. You don't need some scientific verification for what is a lesson life teaches you each day. To ignore such lessons and deny what is so obvious is simply stupid. Sometimes we need to use our own perspectives and have original ideas. I don't need a CSU case study to tell me that certain neighborhoods out in Warren have been destroyed by a combination of absentee landlords and people who have not earned a right to live in a civil and communal setting with their anti-social and lawless behavior. We live and learn too. Why discount experience.

Restore the forests in "The Forest City" and release a million Brown Recluse spiders.. That should keep the idiots at bay. ;-) Seriously... The area still holds a large population and crime crosses over the imaginary lines... It is also a mater of how well coordinated all the surrounding communities are in stomping out a lot of the crime. Yes, people need to report suspicious activity... and yes, there are many areas that have been hollowed out with no eyes on the streets. A great breeding ground for this crime. I wish these areas were invested in, built upon to attract a new population back into them. If only it were so simple....

How about northward? It is a possible idea.... Create fill.... It would actually be the "lesser of two evils" so to speak. I am sure that will be commented on later. I know DC....mentioned something of this and I liked the idea...but could never explain it as well as I have heard it explained. So...let's wait and see...

I read all this...but when I go by these places.. Am I missing something? I see little activity. Am I in the wrong place! (Twilioght Zone maybe?)

DefendCleve, I am so glad you have come on this forum to present another side that few get to hear. You have done your homework well on this and what many do not realize on this forum, is that those who have been opposing this plan....and paying attention step by step are no dummes. They have their information together to a "T". When too many hear from only chamber-like driven forces, there is a lot left to be said that remains unsaid...a side that contrary to popular myth..does NOT entail the best interest of the overall public at large. Allowing the port to be dictating planning for the lakefront is again...what I say often, like letting loggers dictate forest management. There are OTHER options that do not involve undermining this area of the shoreline that should be preserved for recreational uses. On the side that touches upon undermining a state park/D-14. Everyone touts how wonderful Chicago is for having such space, and other cities who have implemented such space in with other development that does NOT have a negative bio-impact on the water......but as I see it, few here have ever set foot near D-14....and are simply all caught up in the pretty pictures of buildings along the lakefront. PLEASE!!!.....Just for ONE fricken moment...will some of you set the egos aside that insists we must be "right".... forget what you think you know or have been told about this and consider that just maybe...just maybe...there is another way...and a win/win/win for all.. This is what true progressive leadership and minds do. In a city that has notoriously abused its shoreline and riverbanks, maybe its time we show a different direction.....not go right down the same old road again. Again, thank you DefendCleve... Lastly, I don't care if people want to throw flames on me....but I will do all I can in writing to appropriate people to prevent this debacle. Sorry.. don't take this personal anyone.. I'm just fired up about this from a state park ODNR perspective. :-o :-D

^ Geez! Clvlndr :-o... Computer slow in posting, I'll bet..... Its frustrating. I have had that issue too. :lol:

Jesus melted?

^ Which ones?

^^ Yeah...let's get creative! I also love the Charles Bronson boobie traps for intruders! Some of those are illegal, however, as they may snag an innocent person.

Here's another idea... a bag full of poisonous scorpions....

How 'bout a cross bow?

I really miss Cleveland's observation establishments like Top Of The Town. Is the Sammy's at the Huntington Building still open?

Yes, but we cannot let rail slip away... Lots of things can be done to make the existing service more appealing, but whether they do it or not is another thing (RTA) But the "funding" excuse card will be dealt.

I hope this place is preserved...the culture is fabulous and among one of Cleveland's first. Please... No more parking lots!

^ I agree with you in that being the ultimate goal/vision...... But not everyone who comes here from near or afar, if that is the case, is going to be into the "bar scene" I have said again and again and again......we need to diversify the offerings or the bar/restaurant thing will get old really fast. What about considering those who would like to come downtown if there were more than mostly bars? That is an untapped market we cannot afford to ignore. A new aquarium, or added functional retail/interesting shops/galleries...for example, will be a key to attracting others who want to visit the city who are not simply into bar scenes... If we have only bar offerings we become a one trick pony; a town that is not very dynamic. That really type-casts us economically...and sells us short on our real potentials. If you want to attract more than the bar crowd, you must give them what they will go visit. My reference to the after hours trouble makers was addressing the few bad apples that will spoil the bunch, adage....and until we have more create attractions that will attract a more diverse array of visitors, running trains at the wee hours, in the current status of what we offer...with not enough "eyes" on the streets, surely will draw some unsavory activity. It only takes one or two individuals out of 50 to start a problem. Most crimes are committed in the wee hours of the morning. All I am saying is that I just don't think we are in a position to offer that service at this time. Let us continue to add the extra draws beyond bars/restaurants....and then open up the trains until 3. Even in Sydney, the trains take a break for a while. Am I saying this should stop is from proceeding? No...Its just that we need to take it step by step. One incident happens and we start a paranoia of bad image and fear. I am not ready to risk that until I know we have people visiting in bigger numbers.