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I have been asking the same thing! Put the parking in the REAR...keep the setbacks small. The rear can be made to look welcoming and safe for drivers, while at the same time, we preserve some of the pedestrian appeal. This archaic "huge setback and parking lot" mindset is stuck in the 50's! Then they'll use lawn chemicals on the lawn, while several other places have banned the uses of such products for mere cosmetic reasons. I mention this because there must be some deluded idea in their minds of what 'going green' really is supposed to mean. You can't say you're green and continue to do either of these things. Is this what happens when you allow suburban development minded people plan the community? I'd rather put Dracula in charge of a blood bank! Anyway, I wrote to the planning department today.

Has anyone heard anything about any plans to rejuvenate Mayfield Theater? What a wasted space in a prime spot in L.I. Would make a great spot for foreign films, Italian films, specifically.... performing arts, or maybe even a small specialty market. Also, the corner red brick building...don't know the name...but the former Corbo's building. A great structure needing some TLC. Are they for sale? What's the word?

I hope the airport implements a recycling program and that places like Max & Erma's will choose to not use plastic disposable utensils.

I admit, I have been so tired of this soap opera-like drama that I gave it a break a long time ago and am not too caught up in its latest....but I did see the photo in the paper the other day about the 'new plan' for lack of a better way to put it..and am I not mistaken that this would basically block the whole viewing area...the 'end of the rainbow' of the mall so to speak? Not sure I like this configuration. It looked bulky and obtrusive. But then again, it was a quick glance.

^Exactly! And maybe that is the stuff we will have to go through to make him get it. It is not being 'disloyal' It is being practical and sort of protesting. If there has been any disloyalty around here for years it has been on their part for us having endured this tapestry of grotesquery. Don't you think so?

MTS, maybe I am mistaken...But why do you seem to feel the need to apologize for this poorly performing franchise right now? They need to be held accountable by their customer base. If they are going to treat their fan base as pawns and express how much this is all about being a business...then we need to do the same and treat it like one too. One that delivers an inferior product---and we demand more for our money. When the accountability is not there...standards drop. And this is where we are right now. Its pretty bad, for example, we'd be hysterical over an 8-8 team right now. Ok, so management needs only to reward us with mediocrity to get the support back. Gotta hold these guys accountable and as fans/customers, all we can do is express the dis-content and stop rewarding a well below average product year after year. I know building a team is no quick fix... But how long have we been rebuilding? Since '99, and changing all the time has not helped, and I fully acknowledge that patience and consistency with letting the coaching staff evolve is important...But I honestly do not think that all these coaching staffs we have had over the years, were ones to stick it out with. All were the wrong people from the get go. Don't know about Mangini though. Thus far....If there was ANY one coach I thought we should have just ridden out the bumps with for a longer time, given a chance to evolve and be patient with.... it would have been Coach Davis. And this is not to say he would have been a good coach either... Just saying which coach deserved more patience in my opinion, that's all. Palmer..No.. Crennel.. Hell no.... Remember though, this is just entertainment...Not foreign policy making, but geezz.. If we're going to be entertained, it may as well be fun..and its no fun watching exactly the same thing week after week.

^ Sure...dysfunction can be found all over the league....but that does not mean we should feel complacent about our situation--or that it is right. We all know there are issues but not every team is losing as much as we have, so that makes us stand out. We're not even executing basics. I questioned the hiring of Mangini so quickly. I think when you have as much cash as Lerner, you assume throwing the money around will simply "fix it" but he is learning that is not the case.. Not always how much you spend, but sometimes how you spend it and on whom. On a side thought...I sometimes wonder if Paul Brown/Lombardi were alive..sayyy...mid 40's in age...and coaching in this day.... they'd not tolerate the kind of dysfunction that has coaches afraid of players. If you cannot do the job, get lost. Some core philosophies never die.

Absolutely agree... The bottom line is that if this is a business with a customer base offering a product to them...the bottom line is that the product has sucked lemons! What would that leave for the customer base to conclude? None of them are going to go knock on the doors of every Browns front office personnel person, including chief Randy (if he is even in the building!) to begin a CSI analytical investigation to come up with a criteria that will determine whether or not Lerner, etc cares! This is a judgement call. How does an umpire know with 100% accuracy whether the pitch nipped the outside part of the plate? When you go to a restaurant and have a meal...the food is so so, borderline bad...the place is rather dirty, like restrooms, windows, etc...and then you're crazy enough to return, but perhaps do so because you have some sort of nostalgic connection with the place...but the food gets worse, the place gets dirtier....and the same owner exists. Would you not begin to form an opinion that he/she just might not care too much anymore about the product that is being presented? The same scenario is analogous to the Browns, which is a business with a customer base, offering a product! Its sometimes really is that simple...and if Lerner is earning this reputation, then that's for him to deal with, not the fans to feel apologetic for him because they simply end up assuming that he does not give a hoot! I assume Lerner does not have much interest in this thing by how he handles himself in an interview...terrible, and body language...and most of all the moves he has made and the final product. Maybe he cares deep down, yes, but this thing just may not be his gig, and if that is the case, then please sell the team to someone who does care. Maybe even Drew Carey would be better! At least he has the heart and soul to start with and that would go a long way so that he will surround himself with those who know what they are doing. And I said "MAYBE" someone like him would make a good owner because he has and gets the heart and soul behind Browns history that Lerner apparently does not seem to have. His dad did, but Randy is another story. But having expressed all this, I do have to wonder why, even anyone with the most money in the world, would enjoy seeing his product, with his name at the top, go out there and be embarrassed week after week. No one likes to be embarrassed. In fact, I don't even think the NFL should allow such a dismal product into the league!

Actions speak louder than words. That is why Lerner has earned the frequent assumption that he does not care--at least from me. Maybe he cares, but he does not seem to know what he is doing.

Allowing most developers to dictate land use planning in YOUR community is like letting loggers dictate sustainable forest management. Ask and ye shall receive....the results are cookie cutter.

Although I would have preferred this original intended site for all the transit and intentions, I feel doing that today would have the entire mall end up looking just as dirty as most of "Public Scare." Bleak as it may be seen (Mall)...its actually very clean and inviting for lounging and casual strolls, quiet..and a great place to sit, think and catch a sunset. Its welcoming even at night---contrary to the square. That's my opinion though. If on the other hand we can demonstrate a much better stewardship of P.S., then maybe. Maybe the mall area can be used for light rail only, afterall, its not that far a walk from P.S. to the Mall to attend conventions etc...we can make sensible links someway.

Interesting, but ugly in my opinion.

Agreed! Born on third base thinking he hit a triple! We need an owner who gets what the tradition of the Browns means to the fans/city...someone who not only has the cash to operate, but the love for the game, the city, the fans, the history of the team...and knows the worth in actually bringing back the glory days of the Browns...in a genuine way...and is not out to just use it as another investment. He should have a knowledge of the game and want to go after the best surrounding cast. Don't know if there is such an owner. These fans would show the entire NFL something unlike it has never seen if this team won it all...and that would be worth it to the NFL.... A league, in my opinion, that needs something redeeming. If he knew better, he would see the gold mine in bringing these glory days back...the eventual cash benefits. Maybe its just not worth it to him. At least Model was involved with the team and seemed to give a hoot. Lerner does not strike me as someone who really cares much about this at all.

^ Yes...add all three of those and In many other ways!

So the rest of those who aren't going to, or living in NY/major cities are basically screwed?

Rivals? Like Megabus?

I am sick to death of cars being the predominant and sometimes only transportation choice in this supposed 'land of many choices' The auto habit is a plague. And, I could not help but skim to the top of the thread a few years back... Correct me if I am wrong.. But I was not aware that Greyhound closed its station in downtown Cleveland? Could someone please clear this up.

"Sprawlgreens" Those and CVS/Rite Aids...all the same. Any photos of this available?

"A vibrant neighborhood" I would rather see this place along the lakefront be kept open for public access, maybe infused with more cultured attractions. We sorely lack open greenspace downtown so much to the point I don't think many quite realize how valuable it is to enhancing the livability of the city.

Fantastic photos! Lots of darters in these streams! I just signed a national petition to curb the desecration of entire mountaintops in WV.

Did anyone see some of the the comments on the article? More typical minds that are so used to driving that they cannot understand the importance and viability of adding bike lanes on bridges...

Why not live in Wooster itself? It has fair proximity to both the center of Cleveland/Akron, Its a pretty nice place...historic square...older homes. I worked in sales that required me to travel every last corner of the N.E. part of the state...and Wooster is where I had to deal a lot. Also, maybe the Fairlawn area of Akron... Rt. 18 not far from Stan Hywett Hall...Or, if you want to be closer to the S.W. of Cleveland.... Maybe even Olmsted Falls.. Just depends on how much you're willing to commute a bit.. But if you're commuting from Columbus now...any suggestion on here is going to be much better.

OMG! Definitely a product of the dawn of the super highway construction era!

Did anyone mention Carlos Boozer?

God I hope our Mall space would never resemble that photo above. Sterile...all cement.