Etheostoma Caeruleum

You summed it up in the best way!

I have a better name... "Fatty's Pizza"

There is one in Ohio City... some independent ones in Lakewood and a host of barber shops in the city...actually, barbers know their cuts on guys better than any styling salons.

An example of sprawl killing sprawl...

UGH! Food courts! Reminds me of all the hogs feeding at the trough!

I wonder if anyone is considering the welfare of animals in this project...or, are we simply not caring about that aspect (which is extremely important to running a successful aquarium) and simply taking an exploitation attitude for the hope it spurs further development. Sorry, this is how I am interpreting some of the attitudes here and for someone who has worked closely with these animals and has associated with those dedicated to quality in this field, its really off- putting.

^ Look, I posted this for the information sake. It was shared with me by an associate and I said would post it here. If you want to debate it... I suggest you not slice it apart here, and call or email her yourself. That individual, much more than I, should be able to give you the debate you seem to crave.

Thanks! Spread the word...

Thanks! Spread the word...

^ Completely Agreed! I shudder to think of some of the last places I go in Ohio to escape to nature for a break, would be overrun by crowds (as Hocking Hills is on the weekends) many of whom have no respect for the place and trash it.

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Ok, let's worry about the city proper only... But, if anyone is suggesting we need to have a bigger population in Ohio, that is not the answer. 11-plus million is enough for this size state, maybe it was too much to begin with. It is hard (not impossible, but hard) to drive 5 miles on any road anywhere in the state without running into more sprawl-style developments---even in the smallest places. Maybe the S.E. third of the state, but even that is getting cluttered while the overall state population drops. Land use goes up, population declines. makes no sense other than pointing back to the shifting of populations, or the simple fact we don't need a Lowe's etc..at every intersection and highway interchange. Still, the state population, although has dropped in recent years, has remained relatively stable---and maybe over 11 million was too many in the first place. Ohio, for its size, near 7th in population and somewhere near 37 in geographical size? (don't quote me there) actually has enough population. Lower land size area with a high population in a state... is not very sustainable. Land has a 'carrying capacity' and demanding more than what it can give has its consequences. Um, like filthy air, water, declining habitat like wetlands which cleaned the soil and water for free..no taxes involved. Over stuffed state parks and greenspaces because of high demand but little availability. The repercussions can go on and on to the point it undermines the economy. So, if we are going to worry about only the core cities, then we should think about luring some of the population we already have.... back into the urban hub and focus on quality, instead of quantity. Simply adding more population to Ohio will not fix anything, as it will just put more of a strain on resources, which opens up a whole new can of worms. We have enough people in this state, its just a matter of the concentrations of them spreading all over the place in this 30 mile out sprawl area C-Dog is talking about. Would I like to see a population that actually embraces the restoration and rediscovery of its cities?... YES! But that's the challenge in what I would really like to see (people moving back into the core) because for years, they have been so turned off by the idea of living in the urban core, for the most part...as we realize with the many poorly informed remarks they make about the cities being so unsafe, etc..etc..etc.. Joel makes some good points, btw.

Isn't there another club in there too? C Why do you feel the Powerhouse is struggling? I don't have any numbers, but the parking lot usually has a good number of cars in it. Thu-Sun it looks pretty full. Rock Bottom and Howl at the Moon are pretty consistently crowded Thurs-Sun, and there is almost always an event at Windows on the River....... Isn't there another club in there too...at the east side of the building? Let's get a list of all current active tenants... Improve... Is that still there? It was when I was there last...last year. (I was actually in the place)

I always see a lot of activity there too.... The Powerhouse venues always attracted a better crowd and somewhat separate crowd than Flats East Bank. Flats East, although it had a few upper scale venues.... was mostly a lot of bars/dance clubs, while The Powerhouse was more of a 'go out on a date' type place. The venues at the Power House were clearly different than most on the east bank, and so didn't really rely on a lot of support from that side, or so it really appeared. If anyone remembers Game Keepers Tavern that was in The Powerhouse in the early to mid '90's.... That's when Power Play was there, Grand Slam Grille... Such a neat place. I set up the smaller aquariums that were displayed in Gamekeepers with the "Lake Erie Fishes" displays...and spent a lot of time there...and the crowds on the east bank and those who were in the Power House were clearly different. There is actually still a lot in the building. I really don't care if Jacobs wants to put this aquarium in there...But, what I have a problem with is this getting confused with something that will ring tones of the Baltimore/Tennessee Aquariums, etc. because it is not that---And, if it does not do well, and CA does not quite have all its ducks on the pond and in line yet....I would not want this thing, in the meanwhile... to tarnish the idea of having an aquarium here and steer away support and good perception... because what CA is doing and what Jacobs is doing, is not comparing apples to apples.

I just wish this city would not be so desperate to whore itself out to any development that comes along... Just for the sake of development. That's exactly what this is no matter how it is sugarcoated. I'm just very much for quality instead of quantity.

October 3rd 11: 00 AM to 1:00 PM................Please can we get a head count? I hope as many as possible will participate. Thanks!

Hope you're right... Something really smells about this Jacobs Aquarium. One, a major aquarium should be in a signature building (see: new, modern) not an adapted streetcar powerhouse... The proposal Council seems so eager to loan Clevelander's hard-earned cash too, feels more like a project to bail out a struggling Jacobs venture (the Powerhouse which is suffering from the death of Flats' entertainment which, unfortunately, wasn't helped much by K & D's attractive, though fortress-like, functionally-sterile Stonebridge complex, with it's no street-level retail and clubby/in-ie restaurants). I'd prefer the originally proposed location which is both immediately accessible to the RTA Waterfront Line, on Lake Erie, closer to the new convention center and Amtrak terminal and kinda-sorta near the little museum area the City's created with the Rock Hall & Science center... ... I don't know why Council is in such a rush to give Jacobs money to build HIS aquarium when, really, such a major project should be built with the best interests of the City in mind -- some of which I just outlined. You make many great points...I could answer that last question....But don't know if I should say anything about it yet. But let me just say that if you smell a fart..someone probably farted. Sorry, I am not very eloquent with my description on that one, but you get the picture! :-)

I think May Day made an excellent point above. Also, if we were judged by region, I wonder what the poverty rate would be. Its a little unfair to not consider the fact that Cleveland is one city within a metro region of many, all stitched together like a patchwork quilt. Sure there is poverty within the hardcore boundaries, as poverty is commonly defined, but my point goes back to what May Day posts because with that situation, it presents a whole new viewpoint. Had Cleveland been able to annex already established long ago suburbs, the numbers may be different. Just a point I want to make to ask who is defining what poverty really is...what are the parameters and criteria, because geez.. I could make 15K per year, (I actually make a lot more than that, but using for argument sake) own a car clear....pay rent on time every time in a clean humble place... and eat well...not have any debt, but be considered poor...Meanwhile, the guy over there has it all, but owns nothing...is stretched out on payments, but he is considered wealthy. We really need to also judge metro areas these days because for all practical purposes, we are more than core Cleveland and when we say "Cleveland is poorest" from an outsiders point of view, it makes the whole area seem abysmal...and how many times it gets repeated over and over seems to just do nothing for the image. We just need to allow for more broader stats. I wish that would be the case. And I am not suggesting we ignore poverty concentrations in core cities, either. Its all about the imaginary lines is it?

I just spoke with someone I know associated with The Cleveland Aquarium, or what I like to refer to as the "real aquarium"--and it has been indicated that their project is far from gone, and that in a week or so we should be hearing a major announcement that will in full detail illustrate and demonstrate the scale of their project--and that we will definitely see the major differences between the Jacobs project and theirs. From following the CA project, in my strong opinion, I am very confident that CA's project would do Cleveland proud in the eyes of the whole world when it comes to such attractions--truly world class, and kick ass! That's all I can say right now, but get ready to rock! :clap:

^ Isn't Silk Night Club still in that place?

Those who have everything but actually own nothing....are considered wealthy...those who own little but owe little to nothing are considered poor.

^HA! Yes it is! And I wonder how many who say they'd never go there...actually have ever been there. (since many have not been downtown in 20 years!)These stations screen callers sometimes too...to get an idea of what you want to say and if it is not what they want to hear, they will not get to you...you get put on hold and wait till you hang up. I don't support the PH location, by the way, but I also do not support this ridiculous and unfounded bashing.

Exactly... I was hearing 20 years ago...how people have not been downtown in 20 years! After the mid 50's, urban living familiarity and habit really started to change to suburban. This is the only model they have known for years and old habits are hard to break. Still, I cannot fathom living in any metro-area's suburbs and not having been to the downtown in that long. Talk about trapped in a bubble. Well, these are the same people who's idea of world travel is riding the "Its A Small World" ride at Disney, or going to Vegas. What do you expect? Its just sad that such radio has the cash flow to make it appear that their opinions are what represents the majority. If UO, for example had an unlimited budget, we'd be hearing much different things about our city/region. Once again...the N.E. Ohio inferiority complex, our biggest enemy, reigns the airwaves! This is a major reason I am starting the project of creating an online radio station focusing on all the Cleveland positives. I have a letter that describes the formula and I will be running on donations...so if anyone wants to help counter this nonsense, get with me.

A couple more places should be ready soon. Had another person call me who also offered to help send the program to some building owners with space for this project. So far...be watching The Park Building, Hallee's, 1223 Prospect, Star Plaza, and the Statler. Hopefully a press release will draw more interest. So far, not bad for going at this in a month. Great group opf volunteers here.

^ This is why I do not listen to mainstream radio anymore. It is so clear where there interests are.