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Just wondering... where "THEGUY" is on this thread or forum... Message me if you get this and please empty your mail box.

There is some kind of program available that can track articles of a particular subject matter. Maybe this kind of thing can be implemented to track any articles that may be related to the kind we would want to counter act. I know as a part of the anti-excessive/unnecessary noise pollution/pro-peaceful communities movement.... there is a member who has a program that tracks down an article daily, that relates noise/quality of life issues to escalating bigger and more dramatic crimes. For example, he finds an article a day or maybe 3 that are about someone getting shot, beaten or stabbed just because they asked someone to please turn down the volume. Anyway, the point is...Maybe the same kind of program can be used to find the articles.

Hornblowers has been closed for years. The barge is for sale and for the life of me cannot figure out why that place has not been utilized. It has a fantastic view. I used to do the aquarium maintenance service there years ago.

Great photos!!... Every place has its beautiful eco-region. Even here, we are no exception, and I feel often underrated, and hence the lack of involvement in helping to promote propper stewardship of what we have ("we only save what we love...and we only love what we know!"). Anyway, I plan on creating a thread to showcase some of N.E. Ohio's beauty and wonderful such places within a couple hours more or less.... You just might be surprised. But sadly about Florida... I used to live there in 1973 and most of the natural beauty that was there when I was there...is not rooftop crops. It is sprawling out of control. Even Disney lost its nice buffer zone, that Walt actually wanted to maintain, I believe. Here is something less than two hours from Cincinnati.. www.highlandssanctuary.org They call it "woodland sprawl!" :-)

They are not "gangstas" (code word for black) or "thugs" or anything other than ignorant A-holes, who have little regard for their own life let alone anyone elses. PERIOD! I totally agree that they are insecure chochas! If you wanted to fist fight, most would run or need help. Who made "gangsta" a keyword for black? They're the ones who started using it, so did they did they bring this key word title upon themselves? But......then marketing gets a hold of it and sells it to everyone..making it look cool to be illiterate and not know how to spell. Watch "The Merchants Of Cool" Really good presentation...

These articles mean nothing to me... Stats and criteria can be tweaked, manipulated...and a lot based on what someone else's idea of a great place is. As I mentioned in another similar discussion... as for 'nightlife'...Who monopolized the definition of these word? Who carved in stone that such must be associated with, and limited to bars/clubs for twits and 20 somethings? When you evolve and broaden your interests in life...that scene becomes irreverent...and attractive to what is really a minority.. many get tired of it, grow up...leave it..and then ask.. "What's next in life?" I am 41...and if I am still frequenting this scene on a regular basis... I think.. "OMG! Haven't I broadened my horizons and interests..and created/discovered new ways to spend time?".. But that's just me.... I can think of a dozen other creative things to do than slurp alcohol all night..or stand around holding a bottle, and believe me.. I did plenty. Again, that's me, though..and many others likely feel the same.....in which case a place boasting that scene does nothing for me or that crowd. I'd rather sit on the roof and observe the heavens with my telescope... Have a special person over too.. A city must appeal to other very important age groups so it doesn't become the "tried it... and now bored with it...So what's next?, scene" Don't get me wrong...there are many great places on that list. I guess what deems 'great' depends upon the person gathering the information, what criteria they chose to use, etc.

What the article posts and what happens are two different things... It just seems to me, that many are just so anxious to see development start on the empty lots, more than anything.

The fact that it is on the main avenue...500 jobs or not, is not the point of the opposition ....and the opposition is not to the project, but to the location. There is a difference. And yes, nature heals...Have you ever been to a retreat? It really puts us back touch with what is real and what matters... I do wonder where these 500 new employees will live? Mostly here and near... Or out in the burbs....

I posted on Cleveland Dot Com. I love this project...and my only concern right now is addressing safety issues...keeping riff raff/trouble makers out...those who are disruptive/do not know how to behave appropriately at movies.... making it miserable for everyone else. Such, if it slips through...needs to be escorted out, pronto! This can totally spoil the experience and people will not come back.

Parking decks are better than surface lots any day...at least they take up less space and can be disguised as part of the building.

Attention: To forumer "THEGUY", if you're out there reading this.... You PM'd me and I tried to reply but your inbox is full... Please clean so I can send you my note. Thanks! Also... Anyone willing to committed to a weekly litter sweep of Edgewater..on say, Saturdays.....say I...But only if you are seriously able to do it and WILL. Maybe seeing people pick up litter instead of throwing it down, will be a lead by example opportunity. Such clean-ups are not a once a year one shot deal..it is an ongoing lifestyle like brushing teeth everyday. This place could use a once a weeker. If you can do this... Let's agree to regular times and days off board.

Very well stated! If this does happen...No suburban model, please. And yes, the building demolished..... If I am thinking which one you're talking about.....was shameful. But I still don't want Section 8. Are we striving to be mediocre? Are we catering to this and no one else? How then will we get above average... "The New Euclid-A Tribute to Social Failure/Dysfunction" Please come live here! :clap:

I write to Bob Brown frequently...and have about this project. I received the same cookie cutter letter. I just question their idea of 'pedestrian friendly/oriented development' I am not saying it is impossible to get me to warm to this, but it will be difficult. I simply see too often what accompanies such institutions and it is not something I would want to boast about to the world on my main avenue. Besides, maybe people who have to use such institutions would prefer a more private setting before they are ready to be sent back into the world. Nature, trees, and solace does wonders for the body, mind, soul...so maybe a campus just off Euclid..a park like setting would be better. Just NOT on the main avenue.. No..No..No.. No.. No..No!!! Let's not be desperate and whore ourselves out to any old development that comes along for the sake of saying 'we have some development' patience..patience.. Not patients! Naturally, I hope I am wrong if this follows through, and actually hope people like 8-Shades are right..But I have serious doubts....and I will gladly put my foot in my mouth, if I am wrong... and hop around Public Square (then I would be the first to occupy the mental hospital!)

Definitely this is true... There is a mindset that too often does not see the problem in doing what you mention... I believe it can change. But when litter laws are better enforced, people will not believe it is not a big thing to do...or that it is a 'freedom' .....when what was illegal all along goes unchecked, naturally, everyone assumes its no big deal. Watch them pitch a bitC! when a ranger decides to slap them with a fine. I would not hesitate to do it..no warnings. People need to start learning what a garbage can is for, and this may be the only way to get their attention right quick. Yes...I simply envy Australia's regard for their waterfront environments..... At Edgewater, near the bathroom house, it is filthy...plastic pieces, ribbons, bottles, cig. butts, plastic cigar tips....Cheetos bags. To the quick glance it looks relatively clean in the overall park. But let me take people on a tour and show them how much I will collect in just 15 minutes. We cannot afford to allow this park to become. Staff never does a litter walk.. Instead, they run it over with mowers! If anyone wants to start a litter brigade to regularly clean up the park... let's do it. PM me... I am in. BUT.... Still, the people doing this need to know why they should not do it...and many who do, if you politely ask them to not do this...Will likely greet you with indifference or some poetic four letter word gesture. Man!!!...the toilet mouths I have heard on some kids. Dirtier than the litter! Please..anyone interested, I still say to write to ODNR Division of Parks and Recreation. These are separate from Cleveland and are all of Ohio's...so write there. Demand better attention to lakefront state parks... Also, putting vending machines in Edgewater...with some of its current patrons who do not give a crap about the litter... and use the waterfront as their dump... Is like placing a distillery next to an alcoholic camp. Get rid of vending machines in state parks, period. Trust me... We who worked for the parks several years ago knew it was bad news. I think there is one/some in Lower Edgewater. Someday...and hopefully it will not be too late..But there will be a generation that will look back at this one and think.. "WTF were they thinking...How STUPID they were!" I believe the American Indians call this generation the "Seventh Fire." By the way, that was a great play/musical Just jaw dropping... For thousands of years, for the most part our environment lived in general sustainable harmony with people...and in a mere 200 years..some of it may be damaged beyond repair. I was never the type to look at those old flats photos and admire them. As someone with a naturalist background, I see such photos as a reminder of the biggest crime we can commit against our nation's waters....but as I indicated earlier, although less visually dramatic, our waters face major new challenges that could prove equally destructive. Jacques Cousteau saw it coming.

C-Dog.... So true... I have a website I made several years ago that may interest you...Now that buffer zones are brought up. I never could understand any farm community not seeing the 'financial incentives' in maintaining buffer zone. The biggest incentive is...Is that they don';t lose theiur farm land to soil erosion. Here is the website...with an educational project included, a friend and me made some time ago. Everyone, please feel free to spread it around. The project site contains my old address. But the email is good. http://www.nanfa.org/education/carillio/riparian.htm

Scott, You are absolutely right... Thanks for adding your thoughts..... I just want to mention that as I have lived in Australia for a while..... (Sydney) and hope to actually retire there... Here is a metro area of 5 million plus people, but the beaches surrounding the city are at least in the visual sense, spic and span. I have never..ever...witnessed anyone littering, at least on purpose or with carelessness... And, in the area....No one uses lawn chemicals which can add up to creating a great deal of nutrients in the water, resulting in excess algae blooms that rob the water of oxygen for aquatic life. The big agriculture in this region has been compounded with the addition of the suburban lawn-care mentality. In fact, there is a book out... Don't know the author, but it is called something like "THE SUBURBAN LAWN-THE GLOBAL MENACE" While there are many constituents of pollutants in the lake, chemically, this is one of the most frequent and unnecessary. On the other hand...some of the other obvious stuff I mentioned....Litter and garbage in water, and on beaches has a far more reaching effect than visual.... If anyone gets a chance.. Just watch this 14 minute video (I will post below) that aired on 60 Minutes Australia to see the impact of litter/plastic on the oceans. After seeing this, you can imagine the impact it plays on what is a mere puddle in comparison--The Great Lakes Region-- Yet, amongst the biggest concentrated sources of surface fresh water sources in the world! It is astonishing! In a city that has notoriously raped its waterfront and riverfront with past development/industrial practices, we need to be among the first to promote the opposite behavior when living near such water resources. Dirty water, beaches, are NOT good for the economy...socially...environmentally. Collectively, we have all become a part of creating the problem...so collectively, we have to each do our part in trying to reverse the problem. By the way, exotics, like the zebra muscles and round goby..and ruffe...have wreaked havoc on native aquatic habitats. There are literal dead zones in Lake Erie--And while the pollution these days may seem less visually dramatic, they can have just as grave consequences. With all this said... I shudder to think people living along the lake cannot even seem to do the simplest of things to help our lake... by NOT using lawn chemicals...and while we're at it.. let's pick up litter. These two things along link to other problems that become much larger. I see kids throwing trash down at Edgewater, clueless.... Parents who don't say a damn thing about it!!!....and I remind them that doing so is inappropriate and illegal.... Anyway, it is infuriating how someone can go to see such a beautiful body of water..have the brains to have the appreciation to do such, but NOT the brains to respect it! I am tired of cleaning up after pigs.. Our lakefront state parks...13 miles or more.. have only two rangers watching over things. Anyway, enough of my rants.. Please, everyone watch the video below..... If this does not make us shake our heads, have a gut wrenching feeling of disgust... and say "enough is enough!" I don't know what will... I hope the video is still available... http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=598914 By the way, while we're at it, I would suggest flooding ODNR's offices with letters demanding they take a more proactive approach in preventing litter in our parks, along our shores...and promoting more recycling...leaving the vending machines OUT of the parks as we never needed this in the past..and they only attract more litter... Tell them to promote a "if you can't take it home with you...please don't take it into the park" mentality, implemented in other parks... on a lot of types of packaging that only wind up as litter... Instead, they can encourage the uses of thermos and reusable items for drink and food, whenever and where ever possible. This is what happens when our parks are over promoted and marketed with a dismal minimum of staff. Too bad we have to make all this happen due to lack of common sense.

Ok... Just have another peeve/issue.... How about when you're driving.... and some fool in front of you thinks it is ok to block the flow of traffic with their car...ignoring the rest of the world around them...and sit and chat with someone who walks up to the window for moments on end...as if the whole world has to revolve around their discussion. I am not talking about waiting a fair bit if someone is clearly lost and asking for directions, and so on, or something similar. I am talking about people clearly having a discussion, KNOWING you and others need to move on and cannot get around....and EXPECTING everyone else to wait while they do it as though to dare you to honk the horn. Geeez... Pull over already and chit chat.. Don't expect everyone else to revolve around you! That scenario absolute irks me big time.

But here is the BEST girl...hands down winner!!!!

Yeah....Eight is good...

Were the apartments that were unfinished open purposely...or coincidentally? I don't think just anyone could get in there, could they?

Great photos.. Downtown Youngstown has so much potential...and it beginning to shape up nicely. Is Pig Iron Press Books and Print still there? It would be so great if the trains linked the center of Cleveland to the center of Yo. again. Oh, and I think contestant number 6 gets my vote!

Just thinking.. The more I hear this name "Residences at 668 Euclid" I think how generic and lazy is it to not come up with something that actually might pay tribute to the history of the building! Wasn't this place called "Taylor's?" Geezz.. at least something wit the name in it.. "Residences At Taylor Village" Anything but RA668E. Then in Cin.. "The Residences at 2801 Erie Ave." or something like that... I wonder if such is a standard name given to any complex for which no one wanted to think of a better name...

Do you think it will be a dusty, messy, noisy mess while construction resumes as residents get in the place? How was that looking?

I am not a fear monger...But, one can sugarcoat the public/transitional housing/mental hospital all they want...But, it will not change the fact that their will be a negative stigma attached to this sort of thing. I do not fear a break out....and other hysterical fears out there associated with such projects... But, what I am concerned with the most is the stigma..the negative perception. Perception is 90% of it all.. Look what the negative perception of the river fire did to Cleveland, and we still have not quite had that let go. Now, here is a chance to lure a broader demographic of people in town....the supposed higher incomes we need to show a starting movement to offset the constant tired reminder that we are the 'poorest' major us city just because we do not fit into what many perceive as well off (having it all, appearing well off..but owning noting, and strapped out with debt) Ok, we want to attract people..make the city a place of choice... Then, we use the main corridor we hoped to be the lure, as a tribute to what we already have enough of. I am not saying these projects are not needed.. I am asking, however, why must they be on Euclid? It sets a precedent as well. In fact, precedent is my biggest concern. And let's pull our heads out of our tails... Yes, there is all too often problem residents in low income housing...stigmas that are detracting. True or not...It is making me nauseated to see people in denial about that. Life experiences have taught some lessons...to ignore them, is silly. Elder low income...ok.. but mixed age... You can count on inviting a few idiots who make it a problem for most of the good, especially if they don't take responsibility for friends they may have over who do not know how to behave in a communal setting. Transitional housing? Sounds like a kind word for something else...But 8 Shades made a good explanation and even so... I would not want such housing to be placed on the main avenue. Maybe if the screening was better, I don't know. I do know, that here is a time to really plan well...and projects like this simply appear to me as development at any cost. "The New Midtown-A tribute to social dysfunction" Great centerpiece on your main thoroughfare! Again, not opposed to the project...Rather in great question in placing it on the avenue that is supposed to be a big selling point for your city...and, the precedent factor for what else now? Still not sold... Sell me! :-D

Fantastic and secluded...very lush.. Stream is incredible... Looks well buffered. Hopefully Chem Lawn, etc. won't ruin it. These streams are full of a lot more life than meets the eye.