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haha, well it really doesn't look like one with what's left. the "parking lot" across from Mama Santa's on E.123rd and Mayfield. It's the building on that property. Have you heard anything about the space where Corbo's Bakery used to be? I looked at the apartments above where the old Corbo's used to be. The woman who owns the building seemed a little out of whack, and the rooms are absolute sh!t (still had mouse traps in the corners). Although the location is awesome, it was really run down and she was not someone whom I would want as my landlord. Her grandparents passed the building down to her or something. That is one of the nicest styled buildings in L.I. Too bad it sits and becomes what you just described. I wonder if she'd be willing to sell it to someone who would be interested in cleaning it up....and keeping it that way.

To whom is this directed? I was just commenting on something I thought about the video you posted.

I always noticed the double standard as the auto industry and groups like AAA were always so quick to use open space, natural beauty and splendor to help sell their product...promote 'the get away drive'---BUT...at the same time when anyone proposes to preserve such inspirations for that wonderful drive... the auto industry.....AAA and such are the first to oppose such efforts--and hence, not really giving a crap about the inspiration for that 'beautiful scenic drive across the USA', afterall.

For too long there has been an assumption that everyone prefers cars...that we love them, etc... And, the auto industry has had the luxury of brilliant marketing that helps to constantly cram this idea down everyone's throat. All the while, in over 50 years what real choice in transportation did we have. We end up assuming we all have to drive and that we need a car. Not much choice in the supposed 'land of choice'

Last week..we spent three hours picking up debris/litter along Franklin and Clinton and all streets in between from 29th to 58th I believe it was... Great photos! It is also good to see that house next to F.C. being renovated.

This whole organization should be charged an 'embarrassment tax' for how this has been managed and how it has made us look in the sports world. It is the 70's all over again...We are a farm club for big markets. I so much wish we'd stop letting the sports scene define us so much. Let's be winners at some other things...I will not go to another game..and believe me... I was as big a fan as any. All a joke. What else can I say? It is almost as if this organization is on purpose, self destructing. Even the Andre Thornton, Toby Harrah, and Jerry Dybzinski years were sweet compared to this! You have a few core players to build around...you don't get rid of them all.

So how long will it sit as an empty lot, then? That is, before this thing gets built and if it actually gets going.

I like the building... But what actually IS all the material on the top? It would be good if it offered some sort of function like solar power... It would be nice to see a new addition to the skyline that is above 20... Too many of our 'taller' buildings seem the same or similar heights.

How about people who keep talking and talking on an airplane...especially on long flights...so that everyone can hear...while it is obvious that the person they are talking to does not want to be bothered!

Yes, I've never even heard that one before! That's terrible!! Although I have heard "...lent him the money." Yes, Grammar.... terrible.. Here's one "Anways" It is simply "Anyway" no 's!'

Add to that the people that open their car door and dump the remnants of whatever drink they had on the ground / or flick their cigarrette butts out of the window, still lit. Whenever someone in front of me flicks out a cig butt while driving, I just flash my head lights at them and sometimes honk the horn. They know why I'm doing that and sometimes I wish I was a cop. Damn I'd be pulling people over left and right for that. Here is another off the wall peeve, bathroom peeves... squeezing the tube of toothpaste all over instead of from the bottom up....getting pubic hairs on soap bars or on shower walls... and leaving it like that... Peeing all over the seat of the toilet. (splatter) Ill throw one more in....When people just rinse there hands with water instead of washing them with soap. The water is already running and you have to dry your hands, why not go all the way and actually add the most important part, the soap. Oh yes, Hygiene! I'm no Howard Hughes...but those at sandwich shops who wear those plastic gloves..then handle money...then make a sandwich.. Who are they trying to protect!! Yuck!

I feel the same about that material as well, in basic principle. Collectively, the use of this stuff adds up. If you walk into any Lowe's or Home Depot, for example... The next time you see a huge crate of this stuff with a 'spring sale' sign on it... Just imagine/figure that all of that material will eventually wind up in the water supply....Now multiply that times 'x' amount of how many other crate sales. The sad fact is...that we are using more of this stuff on lawns today than for agricultural uses. several cities around the world have banned the uses of these kinds of services for mere cosmetic use. Canada has several communities that did this...and I believe Minneapolis, Buffalo also placed restrictions to some degree (phosphates, I think). When thinking more holistically and in the terms of bio-diversity, we will often find that these products actually help to contribute to escalate pest/or weed conditions to levels worse than before....by compromising a lawn's natural immunity and system of checks and balances---where 95% of all organisms are beneficial. Kind of like over doing it with the anti-biotics and what that does to compromise the human immune system. The lawn care related industry spends millions of dollars each year to get people to think we need to use this stuff. The ads are clever and effective...but to those who see through them...are very deceptive and full of wind. There are so many safer and benign alternatives to such products. I wrote an article about it a while back... If you want some information on it...Just PM me. Check out Ohio Coalition Against The Misuse of Pesticides, locally, or "Beyond Pesticides" nationally to discover more about the negative health implications, both to people and water resources. If you want that brief article I did, I can get you that as well. :-)

Add to that the people that open their car door and dump the remnants of whatever drink they had on the ground / or flick their cigarrette butts out of the window, still lit. Whenever someone in front of me flicks out a cig butt while driving, I just flash my head lights at them and sometimes honk the horn. They know why I'm doing that and sometimes I wish I was a cop. Damn I'd be pulling people over left and right for that. Good message. That's an idea. Sometimes, and I use better judgement...But I will pick it up if I am outside and they are as well..and say.. "Oh, excuse me... I think you dropped something... I know you didn't mean to litter" And I hand it back to them. Many forget that it is littering and how all the "oh its just one little" comments...add up to be a lot and the result is something people notice that looks/is dirty. I commended Mike White one time when he saw someone dumping their whole ash tray from their car onto the street in front of Terminal Tower. He happened to be with his Chief of Staff, I think...and a law enforcement officer...or something to this nature...and when he witnessed that he simply said... "Ticket them" Enough said. In Darwin, Australia..they have a 'bin your butts' campaign and do fine people for doing this. The result... The place is highly complimented, visited, and immaculate. People see one little thing thrown down and it leads to another and another... When I worked with the state parks, it really agitated me to see people throw butts in the forest for the risk of major fires. We had to remind people all the time. We also found that a little litter left unabated... always invites more and more and more... It became costly to clean up after this when we had to oversee other daily activities at the park. Here is another off the wall peeve, bathroom peeves... squeezing the tube of toothpaste all over instead of from the bottom up....getting pubic hairs on soap bars or on shower walls... and leaving it like that... Peeing all over the seat of the toilet. (splatter)

Add to that the people that open their car door and dump the remnants of whatever drink they had on the ground / or flick their cigarrette butts out of the window, still lit. Exactly! And for people who think a cig. butt is no large thing.. I suggest looking at a curbside at a traffic light next time they are near one...and maybe an exit ramp..and look at the thousands of butts laying all over the place. "The earth is NOT your ashtray...Please keep your BUTT in the car!"

Here is a peeve...Well, more than one... Tired of seeing the discarded McDonald's bag at the curbside along with Cheetos bags everywhere else. Some people must think the purpose of a car window or door is to serve them as a trash disposal shoot. And in the urban core, when it comes to fast food litter...McDonald's wins hands down. Probably has something to do with their heavy target marketing to inner urban youth. I'm sick of cleaning up the mess. One time, I saw someone do this, park their car go in someplace...and their car window was left open. I simply picked it up and tossed it right back in their car when I was sure no one was looking.

We can help so much with the health of our waters by choosing to recycle, or throw trash in a garbage can...and NOT on the ground---no matter how small it is. Stop using lawn chemicals from services like Chem Lawn. Thanks to such nutrients, the Mississippi Delta is nearly a dead zone for aquatic life....in an area where it should be teeming with life. People think I go overboard on the litter thing.... But if we cannot even curb this very preventable pollutant--harmful to water and wildlife---how can we foster a mentality that will tackle larger pollutant problems we cannot see, such as non-point source? Any litter that is thrown onto the ground can make its way to our water. Also, people changing oil and dumping it down the storm drain. Illegal and an act that can potentially pollute thousands of gallons of water. These are just a couple things we can do as individuals to help...Also, when you go to the beach...Bring a bag and try and clean up litter as you go. I see people at Edgewater ALL the time carelessly plop litter on the ground as though it were as common and acceptable as a sneeze. The lake is our biggest asset..and no one wants to be near polluted areas...so we should have learned by now with the river...what happens to image and economy when you kill the environment. "The economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment---when it files chapter 11...so will the economy" - Sen. Gaylord Nelson 1970.

I totally get the humor in it...the rebuttal thing...and I used to laugh a lot at it as well. I do not like the kids being treated like trophies either... But in the last few years it seems, maybe less, maybe a bit more.... So much media has made "stupid, loud, obnoxious, in-your-face"...and anything else that is simply bad behavior and example....look 'cooler' than I have ever seen before in their tactics. There is a documentary out called "The Merchants Of Cool" that very well defines what I am trying to say....How they cash in on the destruction of youth by promoting anti-social trends. This sort of thing has gone on for years...But more recently it has sunk to a whole new low. An excellent example can be seen in the advertisements in the following link: http://www.noiseoff.org/ads.php :-o

I have been reading these posts...and while I have my fair share of peeves about the suburban mentality--which are mostly centered around auto dependency/seeming delight of sprawl as a good thing, often complacent minds, and anal lawn care habits with the poisonous chemicals (not to say that any of these peeves cannot exist anywhere)... I don't think it is fair to gang up on them as far as making fun of the 'my kid is an honor student' thing. Yes, I don't like the achiever bumper stickers either... But to post an opposite one as mentioned above doesn't strike me as funny. Why?......Because to many, especially bullies.... instead of getting all that can be absorbed out of the education----it is easier to make those who DO strive to do well in school look like wimps, sissies, etc.---all because those who scorn such, must have some serious low self esteem problems. Instead of striving to do better, in other words, it becomes easier to make STUPID look cool and smart look "GAY!" as is a word so often used by many youth these days. Also, I can cite a common example of what has become a typical and all too often common negative 'urban parenting' scene---and that is, to see a parent/guardian walking 25 or 50 feet in front of their child, not paying a lick of attention to the kid who wanders around clueless often in diapers near busy streets! How about no parent to be seen at all....at ridiculous hours of the night..kids in diapers walking around outside the house at 11:30 PM or 1: 00 AM? I see it nearly each and every single day---and much more so in the 'urban core' than I see it in the burbs. So, in that respect, maybe SOME suburban parenting models can teach a better lesson than the examples of failure and dysfunction that run so rampant in other areas. (Again, not to say this sort of thing cannot happen in the burbs---it is just a matter of where it is witnessed the most and I cannot deny what my eyes see all the time) I live in the core...lived in the burbs, lived in what we can call very rural/forested lands...And each place has many things to be witnessed ...and from my experiences, I cannot deny that some of the worst examples of the scenario I described above occur with 'urban parenting'. Dysfunctional behavior, no matter where it happens, is just that...it is not a 'culture' Too bad it is so often seen as the norm, though.

Why is it that when someone steps in with some information that just may make some people stop...look...and listen before everyone jumps on the boat... They are looked at just as the statement above suggests? Is it too much information? Does it suddenly have us questioning something we thought we had our minds made up on? Could we ever even stop to entertain the idea that just maybe we could be in denial about something we thought we knew so much about and...now it may be too painful to seek alternatives or perhaps a better plan? The new guest is not an 'alias' It is not me, if that is what anyone is thinking. And as for Mr. Hauser... Any place is lucky to have a citizen like him who stuck his neck out to be a smaller voice in the crowd....and pose some different information in the midst when the rest of the sheep herd is about to follow each other right over the cliff. Lighten up. Frankly you put a little too much thought into that one :roll:. It was just that similarly as with the aquarium, the day after a major debate and expectations that you would come back with ideas, this happens. I got a chuckle more than anything. Another viewpoint can only be a positive. Welcome to the forum then DefendCleve , even if E.C. did have something to do with it. Ok. Thank you. I invited the guest to UO because I think highly of UO and the least we can do welcome some new information. But, the information he is sharing is not new at all... Rather, it has been more hushed up about.

Why is it that when someone steps in with some information that just may make some people stop...look...and listen before everyone jumps on the boat... They are looked at just as the statement above suggests? Is it too much information? Does it suddenly have us questioning something we thought we had our minds made up on? Could we ever even stop to entertain the idea that just maybe we could be in denial about something we thought we knew so much about and...now it may be too painful to seek alternatives or perhaps a better plan? The new guest is not an 'alias' It is not me, if that is what anyone is thinking. And as for Mr. Hauser... Any place is lucky to have a citizen like him who stuck his neck out to be a smaller voice in the crowd....and pose some different information in the midst when the rest of the sheep herd is about to follow each other right over the cliff. Contrary to some opinions of some... UO is not always the Holly Grail of truth. Those who may believe it is...fine..but get over yourselves for just a moment. Instead of welcoming newer and compelling information to evoke some new thought...and to instead wave it away with comments like the above 'mystery person' comment...is simply inept and off-putting to anyone new...who just may know a thing or two about something.

Hey, my Dad had one of those! They were ok back in the 80's...now not so much! LOL "suburban parent culture"....so what is the stereo-type of the 'urban parent' culture? No parents at all? I loathe a lot about the burbs, but really!

Re: Reply # 40 This is what happens when the media becomes homogenized/monopolized.... This city desperately needs a new larger totally independent media source publication imo.

It may come as a surprise to many when I say this...But if you join the forums and read the information on sites like www.noiseoff.org You will learn how every month in this country alone, someone is either shot, beaten, or stabbed because of an excessive/unnecessary or obnoxious type noise situation. I am NOT at all saying it makes it 'right' to go kill the idiots making the noise, nor am I condoning it....As actually, most of the time there is a noise induced domestic incident, it is the person making the noise, who is asked politely and respectfully to please, please tone it down... 'my children are trying to sleep'....who gets a reaction of violence by the noisemaker. What I am saying however, is that excessive/unecessary noise issues/complaints in a community, especially after hours when people are trying to get rest....cannot be taken lightly...or the result is often this outcome. I see this each and every day all across the country as an advocate for more peaceful neighborhoods in or out of the city...because there is really no escapojg it these days. Noise incidents...can often lead to and often become the 'bigger things' law enforcement has to end up focusing on and what they claim they only have time to deal with. One can ask something like "for what? being loud?" but until one educates one's self about the effects of excessive/ongoing noise on the human body, and what it does to bring out aggression, one will never understand why this terrible stuff ends up happening. Again, I am not saying it is right... that is not the point I am making. My point is centered more around the cause and effect factors that we chose to ignore due to lack of education on this issue. Noise is unique in that when it invades/encroaches on someone's personal space, that person looses control of their own personal environment...and such results in what some audiologists refer to as the 'flight or fight' response..and unfortunately, this person chose the 'fight'. (reaction of violence)..most of the time people want to get away from the invasive/encroaching noise...However, when sometimes you feel there is no escaping it, you can snap when your breaking point is reached..and I can guarantee that there is not one person on this forum, who cannot be driven to snap in some way by being continually acoustically assaulted. It has been used in military torture around the world to reach those breaking points. (Manuel Noriega was driven out of his hidey hole with noise) Hitler even used noise as torture. Anyway, as I said.. most of the time, the violence is against the person who was NOT making the noise, just because the person who was making the noise is respectfully asked to turn it down. These are issues I spend countless hours on delivering presentations to block clubs and councils, to help communities understand the broken window theory effect about excessive, unnecessary noises..and how such issues are far more than the 'nuisance issue' they are thought to be. I was forced into this movement from experiencing something I finally had to do something about. It was not because I enjoy this kind of thing. Right now, we who attempt to help educate communities and law enforcement on these issues-----why they cannot be taken lightly, are about where anti-tobacco was some 40 years ago in attempting to educate the public about the ill effects of tobacco. So, most who don't get it...will be indifferent. World Health Organization and The Southern Medical Journal, to name only two sources, can demonstrate overwhelming data about how excessive/unnecessary noise can effect the human body and physic....causeing learning disabilities, bringing out aggression, restlessness, deafness, anxiety, nausea, chest pains, loss of rest, affect of personal relationships....headache, sweating, vomiting, moodiness, increases of cortizol levels in the body, adrenaline surges, etc..etc... Additionally, other sources such as US Census Bureau, can show information how it is among the number one reasons people flee and move out of any given area. Hence, it is a contributor to and connection to other factors that create declining neighborhoods. Rudy G. in New York understood this extremely well, and so are more and more communities and law enforcement sectors of the government worldwide. I would suggest to anyone who wants to become well informed on excessive noise issues and their negative impacts on any given community, socially, environmentally, and economically...why they need to be taken seriously...nipped in the bud whenever possible, etc.....should start with www.noiseoff.org or www.noisefree.org. www.lowertheboom.org ...>>-----> (how low frequency noise coupled with vibration is one of the most, if not theee most dangerous forms of noise) This is only a shaving of ice from the ice berg...but...You may be shocked at what you learn about this stuff. Feel free to join the discussion forums and read the articles from papers and various news media daily about this topic and such incidents. And remember how indigenous peoples used a beating of war drum to prepare for battle...to get the adrenaline going. Excessive, obnoxious or unnecessary noise that goes on and on in a community is far more than a nuisance issue...it is a public health issue. Hopefully we can evolve and become educated on it to realize why this is so.

I'm a realist and know intimately how Forbes works. Do you? The people who compile the rankings rarely if ever visit the city they or subject the poll is about. If anyone wants positive news about the city it's me. What is the point of publishing this "information" if its not accurate or true?? Refer to reply #675. I tend to agree with your view on this.

As if the Plain Dealer is reputable these days? If they wanted to tout the article, they could have done an add on and discussed the things (neighborhoods, restaurants, bars, clubs, social networks, etc.) that do make our city "appealing" to singles. However, the PC is only going to regurgitate information on Downtown, Ohio City, the Flats and Tremont. So unfortunately, they wont be able to go into deeper analysis of the article and if Cleveland singles feel the same way. Are people hearing chatter about this article? I think their scope of 'singles' and what is appealing to them leaves out a big but silent and neglected crowd who does NOT prefer the bar, etc.. scene. If that is all a publication can tout as what is appealing to singles... Then it is very narrow and demonstrates an extreme lack of creativity in discovering the many other ways singles can spend their time and discover activities in which to engage. Personally, I have grown out of the bar scene.... Many eventually do and look to broaden their horizons and grow other interests...and if that is all a community can offer to singles, it really gets boring eventually. New York, Chicago, etc.. I am not impressed. The nightlife/singles scene does not have to be monopolized or type-cast by club scenes only.....to determine if it is "theee place for singles"... I can think of a myriad of many things to do that are socially engaging that do not involve alcohol/clubs. I am not saying it is a bad thing... It is just a limited scope to determine that this sort of thing is appealing to everyone who is single...or what makes a great place, for that matter.