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So many on here have such great passion for re-establishing the avenue as something it could be...and should be, as described in the above letter. It would be a waste to have all the voices canned up on a forum. let them be heard...flood the powers that be with letters and steer the ship properly. I hope I have not been alone in sounding off to them several times about issues like this. Just as it would be a waste to waste the true cultural potential of Euclid...so would it be to waste the intelligent voices of UO. Fire away!

Anything new here? Everytime I look at these parking lots I want to vomit.

Spectacular! Would make great coffee table book material. I love coffee table books. :clap:

So the question still stands... Project begins when?

Ok, so this means residential would be started by then? (Jan/Feb-10)

I wouldn't worry about this. I honestly wish the paper would quit beating this issue to death for a while.

Does anyone have any history/photos of that building? :whip: Shame on that decision..someone needs to be spanked. I wonder if there were any fixtures or interiors worth salvaging.

Hi, I don't know if this is exactly the appropriate thread for posting this...But the curiosity I have had for so long has gotten the best of me. Near Euclid and E.55th, on the north side of Euclid, there is one standing building left over from past demolitions in that area---that is about...Ohhh.. maybe 6 floors or so, red brick (dirty of course) all boarded up, with spectacular bay windows and street level retail. I have always thought this building would be a gem if fully restored and yet for so long, it has sat there. I have not been down that part of Euclid in over a month and have not paid attention to whether or not it is even still there.... But I would like to know if it is.... Why such a building, that at least in my unprofessional eye, looks to be a great renovation possibility..is still sitting all alone surrounded by empty lots now? Is there going to be any interest in it? Also, I remember in the early 1980's, when traveling to the mid part of Euclid with my Father who did a lot of work around greater Cleveland...stopping by what was the old Green Vacuum Parts Distributorship. The building I am talking about was near here...and I remember at that time, several ones similar, all boarded up of course.... And from what I remember, they were some pretty great buildings too. Now they're all gone. It was almost like a second little downtown, except that the time I witnessed it, all the buildings near Green Vac, were already in decline. Well, just wondered if anyone knew anything about the one lone survivor in that area. If that ever became available--and when my ship comes in, I'd consider buying that and getting something done with it. Maybe someone has some pictures.

Any updates on what is happening with the May Co. Building besides the above?

Does anyone know if the former cafe space in the Waterloo district is occupied again..OR vacant... (I forget the name and exact location, but it is a little corner triangle structure..and I believe the owner owns Lucy's Sweet Surrender Bakery.. (is that the name..not sure?) I know someone who was actually interested in a site like that.

Is this restaurant open yet?

Ok, so I am guessing Jan/Feb 2010... How many concur?

Ok, so let me get this straight.. Uptown is supposed to break ground next January/February-ish? I emailed their website asking some questions about the project and units...Never heard back.

Yes... I just found it. Didn't realize the reply would be inserted at the end of the list.

There are countless local/independent bookstores that are right in Cleveland. Suggesting Amazon would not be the first thing I would do if I were trying to promote OUR local/independent neighborhoods. I'd rather pay a little more for the book to preserve the real experience of a real book store in a real neighborhood with a real person in the store.....to support the neighborhood..Not the coffers of Amazon. My take as a small business owner...still the backbone of the economy, although endangered!

My take on all this is that for too long cities have emphasized on this 'growth is good' mentality which overrides the benefits of stability in a region. In all honesty, Ohio has more than its share for a state its size in population. The wasteful sprawl factor comes into play when you have population in the state falling...yet land consumption going up. This indicates the shifting of the population. And this scenario is nothing new...But when we really should see the shifting starting to go full circle the other way around....we are seeing yet another repeat of times past as older ring burbs are now threatened with the same push and pull factors that contributed to the vacuuming of the core cities in the past. Maybe we should start emphasizing less on quantity..and MORE on quality. Emphasize on a diverse economy that will breed a stable one...instead of beating the constant 'we must grow' drum. Say what you will...but it is mathematically unsustainable...environmentally, economically, and socially to keep this kind of 'growth at any cost' mindset. Ohio actually needs a population enema, so it can refocus on a smaller one, but a more productive and quality one.Sometimes less is more in the long run. One person indicated 'what will this state look like in x number of years' with these current population shifting trends. I get nauseated thinking about it. It will certainly not be something that offers quality of life... Quantity, yes, quality no...when we end up looking like one giant suburb with no real unique identity. At some point, and it really needs to be soon.... there needs to me some regionalism (bad word for some) in governments and revenue sharing in an area like N.E. Ohio which has so many cities, towns, townships, etc.. all butting up against one another all fighting for that share of the tax pie, no matter what wounds the winner of it inflicts on their neighboring communities. The visual result is senseless willy nilly suburban sprawl, loss of essential green and buffer zones which do their share in keeping air, water, and soil clean for free....pockets of wealthy areas right next to pockets of poverty, huge seas of pavement... expanded lanes on roadways which still seem to get clogged...etc..etc.. It is not a pretty sight that anyone would want to live in who doesn't have to. What remains of anything green in this state will be the rivers which get even more polluted with suburban lawn chemicals that will cause river killing algae blooms... and the small state parks/forests/metro park areas which will be but mere little islands overcrowded with visitors, which will undermine the whole experience in the first place. (Last checked.. Ohio ranks 48th in available public lands, yet near the top in demand for them--yet we have done little to set anymore aside for the future--all which could have a positive economic impact) Some may have slept through ecology, but the impacts on the environment and our cities from piss poor planning and growth at any cost could prove costly financially, and we know what damaging the environment does to ones reputation. Just ask Cleveland and the Cuyahoga river about that one! Sprawl areas usually allow the developers to come in and dictate landuse planning. Letting developers dictate land use policy and planning is like letting loggers dictate forest management! Anyway, I was going to say that the land has what is called a carrying capacity. Ohio has exceeded the land's carrying capacity within our imaginary lines. Maybe it is time to level off because 11 million plus was too many anyway, in terms of the carrying capacity and the demands such a population carries. Sure it can be done, but it demands more than we can replace. Growth beyond maturity is cancer. Having said that it takes no genius to state the obvious that we really need to redevelop our urban cores and let the prosperity trickle out..and not build from the outside thinking it will trickle inward. It never has and never will. This state needs to learn from the archaic land use and development trends of the past that are just one big factor in sucking our urban cores dry.

After all the major work is done, cleaning the blonde brick will be the final touch...and yes, it would be good to see the runs gone. I wish this could be done to the back of the Landmark Office Towers.

It is interesting you mention about the setbacks. Someone I spoke with from Glenville Redevelopment was telling me about how developers come in a lot and describe projects with these huge suburban-like setbacks. This person from the organization always tries to educate them as to why these large setbacks are archaic ideas in developing the new urban grid. They act surprised and assume everyone wants big parking lots, driveways, etc.. They have preconceived notions of what people would want based on living in the automobile dominated urban landscape for the last 55-60 years or so. (that number is up for debate as to when things started shifting so auto. My number is just sets things back to the start of the end of a lot of mass transit to about 1950-55) The suburban style trends helped to create the mind-set that has so many assuming these days that we need huge setbacks and big parking lots. I think otherwise. I feel, for example, when offered a rendering of what a "1920's Hough" looked like in a new-ish way, versus the "Solon-esque" stuff... I am sure many more than we think would chose the former. I have a friend with a Grandmother who is well, alive and kicking..and very alert. She is 98-ish and tells stories of Cleveland neighborhoods that are truly amazing! She was lucky to have seen this era and remember it well. Her stories left me with the feeling that so many of us have totally lost the concept of what a real neighborhood/community was really like--and the logic that has so many developers under the assumption that we all want parking lots and big setbacks, pretty much tells how much we have forgotten. Anyway, If any of you get a chance, go check out that poster. Maybe Hough can even be made better than it was.

What is "Blackfinn?" I am late into the thread.

Exactly, we need more evenly dispersed street level shopping to encourage more exploration and foot traffic throughout downtown. After polarizing things in all the districts..now it is time to connect the dots and fill in the blanks.

Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew why some of our landmarks seem to not be lit at night any more. I seem to remember the Main Avenue Bridge glowing blue at night.... The Pylons on the Hope Bridge, the Clock Tower at WSM...and even the rather mundane CSU Rhodes Tower, being illuminated. The Jack Knife bridge would look great repainted and lit too. It seemed to give the city-scape more presence at night when such structures were lit. Not that I am not for doing the lights out practice to save energy as many cities have participated in---but it seems with low energy lighting, that we could bring back a couple of these landmarks to the night skyline.

Very good idea..a museum or gallery of sort. I would like to see more unique stores or galleries come to Euclid...and not just all food.

Those are two voids that would book end 4th.. What would possibly go in the 4th and Euclid space? It would be nice to get a few galleries there...something other than eat/drink for window shoppers and browsers...the one looking to make an impulsive purchase of a unique item.

Amazing... Sort of "Wrigley Field-ish" They have a website for League Park and its latest news. League Park Dot Org, I think. There is a poster in The Only Cleveland Store in Tower City that depicts League Park in full color in its heyday. It is a great poster. It seems that with all the money in MLB, that the league would have some sort of grant available to help preserve the game's history. Especially its earliest parks. A great place to have tournaments and historic themed games or events. :clap:

It would be nice...since many of our buildings were lost, if some interpretive sidewalk signage could be made with such photos on them..the best photos...to give people a glimpse into the past and what the buildings looked like. It would be a tribute to what was lost. These spectacular photos are too good to be limited to being online.