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Sure, back on topic. Retail in the complex was the topic, I think..and I was talking about why I felt an independent local type entities would be the go for. But what's strange about what I wrote? What is so strange about wanting to support local businesses? It might be a strange concept to one someone who seldom does. In that case, my whole point about the general consumer being clueless to those matters is validated. Anyway, point dropped...

Wow! Looks kind of like the Trumbull County Courthouse at the top. As much as I am excited about this facade being removed, I hope it isn't in as bad of condition as the other place on Euclid---and that it doesn't have to sit as long before the facade is restored. The building that used to be across the street, the "Hicock Building" I believe? Was fantastic too. I have old post cards showing it with the clock tower and all.

Ok, no worries! Sorry... I am getting th hang of it.

Just a quick question on these In-Town Apartments. Are the brick/stone portions of the building going to be cleaned?

By the way, here is a photo of that old hotel. It is a continuing saga for those who want it razed, versus those who claim they have intent to renovate. http://allthingsclevelandohio.blogspot.com/2008/07/clevelands-shameful-eyesore-lakefront.html

StrapHanger, It is ok, I understand. I didn't have to write as much as I did either. Anyway, as far as the hotel thing, I was a big fan of the old style motor lodges and hotels of those past eras. The ones that used to be in Waikiki are all but gone to the huge towers. The old ones had a lot of charm and intimacy that is somehow lost with the big stuff. I also liked the old Holiday Inn sign. I just thought it would be cool to see a couple of those places, if any really left at all here, to be restored to their new conditions. I used to travel a lot in the country..and such evokes memories of vacations/holidays of that time. Although it stood rotting for years, the Howard Johnson off I-90 by The Channel 8 Building looked swank in photos of when it was new. There is a photo posted online of it somewhere, I think on the "All Things Cleveland" blog site. I don't want to see a bunch of these places, and of course not on lower Euclid......maybe just a couple or so near Mid Town that beacon to the time of the swanky cocktail lounge with black vinyl seats, chrome, and glass block, the old "Quality Inn" sign look... and so on.. You get the idea. The Sahara evokes the mood I am talking about. That looked to be a classic motor lodge, for those who are enthusiasts of such!

No.. It was KJP.

Ummm, I have been to Europe several times. No need to reply with that kind of sarcasm. I was merely pointing out that some 60's styles have become in style again with some decor. I was also indicating the idea that if a building was originally built to look like the ones in the photos I see here (the hotel, and the one with the aqua blue accents) that maybe it is better to just restore buildings from that era to their like-new condition, and thus it would be offering a small representation of that era. It was near a college area and so I thought it may offer a touch of a hip 60's time, that may be appealing....(or at least romanticize it a bit) It is NOT as though I am suggesting to cover up all of classic Euclid again with those hideous 'modern' facades... on stylish buildings that were built in the 1800's, or early 1900's. I also posed the rhetorical question if underneath those buildings, is there something else worth restoring? In which case I would understand someone calling it hideous to keep it the way it is. (like the case of what is really under the siding of the Schofield) Maybe travel to Sydney, Australia and get to know the locals in the trendy neighborhoods to understand what I was saying. I am fully aware that what has been built here, even the oldest, (unless you look at the structures built by the ancient civilizations of Cahokia and Mayan culture, etc.. which) are 'new' in comparison to Europe. It is a bit presumptuous of you to think I would not be aware of that. If I wanted this kind of sarcasm, I'd be posting on sites like Cleveland Dot Com. Furthermore, it was in the article that referred to the buildings/styles as "vintage." Maybe you can send rude comments to the author of the article instead. I am new to navigating this site, so perhaps I did not see all the photos posted..and maybe we are talking about two different things. Cut me some slack, please. :? By the way, Just now....I did see the other photos now of the renovations... I think it looks good. Still I would like to see some buildings built new in the 60's, renovated to look like their bright new condition again. Excuse my stupidity for getting the feel of the site. I don't spend a whole lot of time in front of this thing. I also hope that if these are rented to students..I hope some don't tear it up. Go look at some of the places in The Chesterfield.

The automobile-dependent lifestyle has evolved...it takes time to turn it around and change.

I hope the store will sell higher end foods and better items..No lottery and brown bagging booze. Some local produce would be good when i season..and local Ohio made products. And only unique imported items.

Yes, the paper seems to only cover the looses. I am also starting to question the integrity or vision of some of these companies who move to the suburbs. Besides politics, at least philosophically, these days....you would think any progressive minded company would WANT to locate in a CBD where there is growing opportunity. Instead, we see many doing the same thing as what happened in the 60's-70's..the flight again...choosing to be in an auto dependent atmosphere. maybe this has something to say about the era in which people who make up such companies grew up in. Just a thought. Bottom line is in this day and age, you'd think the push would be to locate downtown again...and not repeat the trends of earlier times that saw the same thing.

Do not rent from AGP Realty.

By the way, to me, it is still hard to believe how a complex like Breuer/Trust Rotunda, etc..at a main intersection can sit vacant for so long. That corner has all the potential to close all the gaps of restoration along Euclid. I used to have a friend who worked in the Trust Rotunda in the 80's...and I banked there, and always thought it was a pleasure being in the building---even if I had to wait!

Is there any more photos of the Schofield Building w/o the facade? I cannot seem to find many.

I thought one being canceled may affect the other going forward.

Thanks for the answer!

I notice the comments about the vintage 60's exterior on this thread...about these buildings. Personally, I would like to see this exterior restored to like new condition. I think there is an area on Euclid that has such buildings that actually look a bit "Miami-ish" It is not as though the buildings are classics (I don't think classics exist under those exteriors?) covered in 60's exterior, as is the Schofield Building....sooo....Why not restore the 60's look---which is a classic era unto itself, and in many ways, coming back in the decoration of home interiors. It is really a trendy look that may appeal to young students. Just my opinion, but if the building was built new in the 60's--and we change the look.... Then isn't this sort of the same as changing the look of a building built in the 1800's....to look like it was built in the 60's? I think these particular exteriors would look better to be restored to a like-new appearance. Just my thoughts.

I was asking if this project was not happening because of the Breuer Tower project.

Is this project going to be scrapped now?

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If this topic interests you, please read the letter and help in any way you can. Phone calls would be good to let them know you do not want to see us lose this extremely valuable department. I am not posting this for a debate or to get sarcasm in return. This issue is very concerning and should be to all of us, as much as libraries being in trouble. I am simply throwing out the message in a bottle to those who the topic may concern. Thank you much... Read on... Woodland Sprawl E-Magazine for Arc of Appalachia Preserve System Twelve preserve regions, 3200 acres and growing!! www.arcofappalachia.org Responses are welcome, write Nancy at [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe write Crystal at [email protected] Dear Friends, When we founded this organization thirteen years ago we vowed we would never print T-shirts, and we promised we would stay out of politics. 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I think the design is too sterile. I would envision some energy saving landscaping utilizing native plants... Too bare..Just plain lawn that will likely be sprayed with lawn chemicals you do not want to lay down on. Trees actually clean the air and add noise reduction. Just notice the difference when directly in Manhattan...in the air, then when you go into Central Park. I hope there is a more progressive, non-chemically dependent and more fun design implementing natives. See www.ohioprairienursery.com or www.prairienursery.com What I envision makes this look bad, at least in my mind's eye. Parks have trees... and are not sterile looking.

Don't get me wrong.. I want the aquarium... I just want to see something done right, having worked around the theme for many years. If they build at P.H. Ok, but it will not be the grandiose quality aquarium that will end up knocking everyone's socks off and put Cleveland on the map. I do recognize the smaller aquariums can have quality--but I am not sold on this idea by a long shot to achieve even that.

All the factors you point out are valid. I am not associated with C.A.--rather, I am familiar with some people. All that you say has not been considered by C.A. has in fact been considered. It just has not come out in a press release as Jacobs did. The P.H. is not exactly the best suited structure for such a project. It has limitations and you cannot always 'make it fit' or work. I know this is not affiliated in any way with C.A.--but it has certainly piggy-backed off the hard work C.A. has put into this in many years. Jacob's doesn't have the money either. Part of his plan would most likely be publicly funded. I am not saying you must not support his idea--In fact, I hope both can get built so people can see the obvious difference. I would suggest you contacting C.A. and learning more about their vision. I am not at liberty to discuss the kinds of details you want. I do see the advantages from a small tourist attraction viewpoint, but I also realize that most of time, when planning such an attraction around that perspective alone, it usually ends up being something of low quality.

Michigan was once part of Ohio..."The Ohio Territory"

Yes, it would be nice to have another high point restaurant. I miss T of the T. There is so much room to build downtown...so much waiting to be re-discovered.