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So would this be in place of the residential plan they had outlined a year or so back?

I can't believe this thread is still going. It is absurd, and will never happen.

Figured I will post the comment I made on cleveland.com here as well: Two thoughts come to mind - 1) Is a parking garage going to be incorporated to the second phase of the casino? If so, is this a temporary fix? Will this be utilized once phase II is built? Why can't they just build the parking element of phase II now? 2) The majority of thriving cities all have historic districts: Olde City in Philly, Faneuil Hall in Boston, etc.. This area of the Gateway neighborhood, while relatively much smaller in scale than the aforementioned, has the potential to become CLE's historic district. Renovating and re-purposing the Stanley Block and Columbia building would compliment what has already been done on E. 4th and hopefully what will spread east down Prospect. This seems like a quick fix, that wasn't thought out, and serves only one purpose. A whole block dedicated to valet parking and a "lounge"??? Come on people... This thing might as well have been built in a corn field.

Not mean or rude - I did not insult anyone. This was my opinion. Go in and look at what I said - everything is true. It looks like a bunch of people got together and whimsically said "Let's open a restaurant" and did so in a span of about a week. It is a great location, and a great space but collectively with the food and atmosphere nothing is fitting together. Velvet Tango Room is a great example of a lounge, and to some degree 806 in Tremont as far as atmosphere goes. The lobby of the Renaissance has a loungey feel to it as well. Jukebox music does not qualify as a lounge either. Period. I wish you the best, but I don't see the space lasting as a restaurant with so many other great options in town. I hope the lounge thing works out for you, but do some research. Check out lounge bars in other cities, that haven't been brought here yet, and try that.

My opinion on Zdara - cheap and tacky. Having it become a cocktail lounge would mean having to redo everything about it. The light fixtures are tacky (IKEA?), the furniture is cheap and does not fit the large space, the collection of accessories, fixtures and colors is a total hodge-podge. Last time I was in there they had theses glass fish bowls filled with rocks and fake plastic plants on the bar - as decoration. We were there on a Friday night and NO ONE was even there. The food was standard - nothing spectacular, nothing that would ever make me want to go back when you combine that with the atmosphere. Besides that, the bartenders were a joke - it was not even busy but the guy and the girl behind the bar were more concerned in sharing stories about how wasted they were the night before and they both looked like they came straight from an all night binge. Save your money and do not go here.

This seems ridiculous to even speculate over - what is the reality of this even happening?

Best for what? Best stock of houses? Best streets to live? I want to take someone on a tour of the area and wanted to know what streets where the best to show them? I like Joy, Bridge, Franklin, West 44th, and Clinton in Ohio City. Tremont I like West 11th, West 14th, Fruit, West 10th, Fairfield and Professor. Your question was just fine btw - It was a quick, random question. Answers should be as well. Some people apparently don't get that. Thanks! That helped a lot. I checked them out on googlemaps real quick. Did you mean Jay when you said Joy? Yes - apologies. Jay right off of W.25th. Lots of neat houses/cottages.

Best for what? Best stock of houses? Best streets to live? I want to take someone on a tour of the area and wanted to know what streets where the best to show them? I like Joy, Bridge, Franklin, West 44th, and Clinton in Ohio City. Tremont I like West 11th, West 14th, Fruit, West 10th, Fairfield and Professor. Your question was just fine btw - It was a quick, random question. Answers should be as well. Some people apparently don't get that.

A great follow-up article: http://www.fearthesword.com/2010/12/1/1848951/a-reaction-to-the-espn-believeland-story-on-lebron-cleveland-hope-and "I know Cleveland is the laughing stock. I know no one wants to go there. I know people find nothing redeemable about a city that on the outside looks barren and forgotten, like the half-life of a Carl Sandburg poem. I've been in other cities where the mere mention of Cleveland brings a scowl or a smirk. "Where are you from?" "Cleveland." "Why the hell would you want to live there?" Then the anger and pride rise up. Because that's where I'm from and it's who I am. Because I love this place, from University Circle to the Metroparks, from Cedar-Lee to Little Italy. And as crazy as it sounds, I always think to myself about that person, "You don't deserve Cleveland." Because there is something more to this city. There's creativity and ingenuity springing from that hope. There are great people trying to cry out and break free. You can see it--in Michael Symon's cooking, in the work of Harvey Pekar (RIP), in the Cleveland Clinic, in the work of graphic designers and artists from Tremont to Cleveland Heights, in the stories of Dan Chaon, hell, even in Peyton Hillis. " I'm kind of tired of people writing that "Cleveland is a laughingstock" and "no one wants to go there." I realize that this is a pro-Cleveland article, but I still find that attitude outdated and backwards. I live in LA because of work, but anytime I mention Cleveland here, I do not get a bad reaction. I was just down in New Orleans for Halloween. I told several people where I was from. Three stood out to me: The first person said "If you want to see what hell is like, go to Cleveland." This was an older gentleman from Nashville. The second said "You're from Cleveland? By choice?" He was a 30 year old from Dallas. The third said "Do you like it?" I said "I love it." He said "That's all that matters." Everyone's experiences are different when you tell them you are from Cleveland, but if the national media coverage of LBJ leaving tells you anything, it is that the nation has a poor representation of this city as a destination, but not of our heart.

A great follow-up article: http://www.fearthesword.com/2010/12/1/1848951/a-reaction-to-the-espn-believeland-story-on-lebron-cleveland-hope-and "I know Cleveland is the laughing stock. I know no one wants to go there. I know people find nothing redeemable about a city that on the outside looks barren and forgotten, like the half-life of a Carl Sandburg poem. I've been in other cities where the mere mention of Cleveland brings a scowl or a smirk. "Where are you from?" "Cleveland." "Why the hell would you want to live there?" Then the anger and pride rise up. Because that's where I'm from and it's who I am. Because I love this place, from University Circle to the Metroparks, from Cedar-Lee to Little Italy. And as crazy as it sounds, I always think to myself about that person, "You don't deserve Cleveland." Because there is something more to this city. There's creativity and ingenuity springing from that hope. There are great people trying to cry out and break free. You can see it--in Michael Symon's cooking, in the work of Harvey Pekar (RIP), in the Cleveland Clinic, in the work of graphic designers and artists from Tremont to Cleveland Heights, in the stories of Dan Chaon, hell, even in Peyton Hillis. "

Hush on Lorain and West 117th I belive has a lesbian night - maybe Wednesday - I cannot remember off the top of my head.

There is a top-notch, higher-end pizza place in Boston called The Upper Crust. Would be nice to see something like that come to town.

As am I - I drive by there every day on my way home - they have really cleared the land nicely there.

So would they move all of their employees to Illinois?

I am getting the same emotions as when there was potential of LeBron leaving Cleveland. I truly hope someone with more power than myself can make them stay in NEO - they are such an asset to this area.

Not sure if this goes here or not - but it is a great read! http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20101016%2FBUSINESS04%2F10160311%2FCleveland-s-leaders-put-it-ahead-in-revitalization&template=fullarticle Cleveland's leaders put it ahead in revitalization Smaller size also helps, says one city official BY JOHN GALLAGHER FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER CLEVELAND -- As Detroit struggles to find a way to re-use its miles and miles of vacant land, one place to look for answers is Cleveland. This week, some 900 urban experts gathered in the city for the third Reclaiming Vacant Properties conference, a growing national forum for sharing ideas about a problem that plagues almost all cities.

Please excuse this brief off-topic turn here: Can you tell me how many vacancies exist at Tower City Center? I cannot. I can however say that in the year that I have been here, I have seen Johnston and Murphy leave as Well as Charlotte Russe. I work out at the gym there and walk past what used to be the old Banana Republic and J. Crew every day. A furniture store and art gallery filled those spaces when I moved here last year. Now they are both empty. I do not have specifics. Just general observations and an opinion. I guess as a traveler one might see it as a "destination"; However, I feel many residents here feel otherwise.

Nice write-up for sure, but I have to disagree about Tower City. It certainly is no longer a viable shopping destination. I find it hard to believe you think so after your trips is 1996 and 2004. So many retailers have left.

It will tie into the system. I have firsthand knowledge. Additionally, there will be an all glass, enclosed ground level walkway that connects through the first floor of the parking garage next to it.

I agree completely. I feel like having businesses move from these other areas is basically saying they are giving up on these areas.

Ok - I see it now. Thanks.

I am having a hard time orienting myself with this photo. Where would it be being taken from - obviously a plane or something - but is it from the direction of the terminal tower?

Agreed. The area seems to have lost momentum.

1) I lived at the corner of Thurman and Starkweather for a year before I moved to West 11th by the park. I liked both areas, but I prefer my location by the park now. I would say the area enclosed by 490 to the south, West 14th to the west, West 5th to the east and University to the north is the prime area to live in. 2) The alley on Thurman does need a little bit of work - there is still a presence of long time residents there. I didn't mind where I lived on Thurman because it was at the end on Starkweather and there are $200K condos being built there. I would also say the streets down near West 5th could use some work. 3) I am not sure what is up with Tremont Point. I lived by it for a year, and while I believe it claims to be mixed income, it certainly doesn't appear to be. I would not choose to live there. 4) I have only lived there for a year, and I have seen progress since i have lived there. I am always noticing a new house being renovated, new townhouse construction or a new restaurant or business opening up. 5) I have never had any problems personally, nor do I know anyone personally who has. I park my brand new car on the street every night and have never had issues. I live in a one story house, and I keep my porch light on at night and keep all my windows shut and locked while I am at work during the day.

Yes, you need much, much help. P.S. It's Wal-Mart.