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The last one is tough to decipher. Have they started digging yet?

why would they wait over 20 years to put one in Cleveland?

^i tend not to trust someone who isn't able to write coherent sentences.

I can now see that I've entered into a conversation where logic and fact are not welcome. Goodbye Ohio Smoking Ban thread.

Huh?

The developer owns all the land between Detroit and Church. Maybe he's just holding onto the Church fronting parcel for a second development. Auditor site shows that TEG bought the Church parcel from CMHA in December 2006.

But don't you just love the surface parking lot between RS and Perk Park? ;)

Peabody, I pretty much agree with most of what you are talking about. However, I think your tone is a bit off. The tone of your arguments suggests that this decision was made in a bubble--as if Jackson WANTS a strip club district. My guess is that he doesn't want one at all. Wolstein and the city, behind the 8-ball, had to settle. This was a part of the negotiations. None of us knows how these negotiations went. Nobody knows whether or if this is the only way to push forward with the FEB project. :)

FC/Bruce is no longer an off-shoot of FCE. Its all FCE now.

I had low expectations. From what I've seen, he's doing a solid job. I only wish that he were more vocal. But sounds like Peabody has some serious dirt on the guy. Hope that's not true.

The second one is the bank building at 25th and Lorain.

Where are there Reds fans in TN? I lived in Memphis and Nashville for 5+ years and never came across any. That state goes for the Braves and the Cardinals.

what?!? who the hell says that on the local news?!

I drove down Euclid today. Its looking really nice infront of the Agora. This is going to be a huge improvement for Euclid.

yeah, but its open to the public on the weekdays!

^Good. But I just don't think its right that only suburbanites can go to Lola.

Developers? Seriously?

do they card at the door? where can i get my fake suburbanite ID?

^why don't you think he'll make it through his administration?

^the article was written by a freelance Clevelander who lives on the near west side.

'Museum' blurs fact, faith, fiction Tuesday, June 19, 2007 Connie Schultz Plain Dealer Columnist Were it not for the folks who raised me, it would be easy to make fun of the new Creation Museum. For one thing, this is not a museum, it is a $27 million theme park built in Petersburg, Ky., just across the river from Cincinnati. The chief designer is Patrick Marsh, the creative force behind the "Jaws" and "King Kong" attractions at Universal Studios in Florida. One of the first things you see are dinosaurs nibbling at treetops, just down the hall from mechanical, life-size humans meant to illustrate how T. rex and Man were happy neighbors on Planet Earth. ... To reach Connie Schultz: [email protected], 216-999-5087 www.cleveland.com

^Clifton Heights?

^how about at the record store?

^I'd settle for moon shattering. Bring on the news! I was talking with one of the top guys at a local/national commercial real estate firm. Not sure if he knows something that we don't, but is he very very impressed with Stark and alluded to hearing something MAJOR in the next six months.

ok, I see where you got yourself confused. ;)