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Honestly, I do kind of scratch my head when you mention that. NYC is NYC. How can you be thinking that Cleveland is more dangerous than NYC? Have you looked into the Pinnacle on Lakeside in downtown? If you like modern construction with incredible lake views, this could be the place. Also, I think that its much quieter along this stretch of the Warehouse District than it would be along West 6th or West 9th. Not to mention that the Flats East Bank project will add a lot of awesome retail project to the neighborhood within two years... Driving-wise, the Clinic is no more than 10 minutes of of traffic-free driving away.

Well, it all depends on how you see it. I live very very close to Max Hayes, so i think that I can give you a good description of the area: (in no particular order) -there are many light industrial businesses on Detroit between 32nd and 48th. While they might not be pretty, they do employ people and they are not vacate. -Detroit on this stretch is pretty desolate; it is desolate in terms of young couples walking around and its desolate in terms of riff raff. -Max Hays HS is slated for a complete renovation within the next 1.5 years. -Clinton Ave, a short block to the south of Detroit, is seeing a large amount of expensive housing development. -the area is pretty quiet. I've been pleasantly surprised by the neighborhood since moving here. I was a little fearful when I moved in because it wasn't in the heart of OC. Actually, I've found that to be an advantage. Its pretty laid back her and we have a view of Lake Erie and the downtown skyline! -the old BP station at 45th & Detroit will remain vacant for a while. BP will not sell to another petroleum company. And, no one is going to spend the bucks to remove the gas tanks from the property. -there are a lot of 300k+ townhomes to the immediate area north of Max Hayes. -overall, the Detroit stretch is not that pretty, but its not unsafe in the least bit. In fact, its probably one of the safest areas in the uber inner city of Cleveland. -With a bunch of 500k townhomes sold out and over 80 units of new housing planned in the next 1.5 years, I'd say that the Clinton-Detroit corridor is thriving. I'm raising my growing family in the area. I expect a few more offspring/adopted kids of my own to populuate the area in the coming years. I've also been pleasantly surprised to see that there are many many other young couples with kids/kids on the way who have made the decision to raise their kids in Ohio City. (by the way, congrats to mapboy on his upcoming housing purchase and the hopefully safe delivery of his first child!).

These homicides also took the neighborhood by surprise. They even had a neighborhood-wide vigil in response as it took the entire neighborhood by surprise. If you look at the statistics over the past fiver years, you'll see a huge spike last year. Whether this is a developing trend or just an odd occurence, it'll take some time to figure that out. Still, Battery Park will be insulated from this. Also, the areas just to the east and west of Battery park are already being eyed by developers to continue the residential momentum that BP is building.

^but then I hear things from Case tech grads who say that they wanted to stay but that there just aren't the jobs here as there are in other cities.

Is that because of the Greyhound station?

Seriously though, I could see an 'fine arts weekend' package. I'd feel better about it once Uptown is up and running. We have the best orchestra and a fantastic art museum. Fly to Cleveland for a Friday night at the orchestra, a Saturday morning at the West Side Market, an afternoon at the Art Museum, a Saturday night at the Cleveland Playhouse (any other ideas??), Sunday stroll through Lakeview Cemetery and an early evening flight back to home city.

Yes, I agree with you about the stretch of Detroit between Lakewood and Battery Park. Here are my thoughts: -two of the homicides were part of a strange and sad incident at a condo. A renowned artist condo owner complained about another tenant's excessive music. The guy responded by killing her and a janitor. Very sad and very scary. -The area south of Detroit is rough, but there has been some development that's been going there in past few years. In my opinion, that area will slowly get better. -Detroit in that area looks bad. As Battery Park gets built out, more retailers will locate on Detroit--especially with the new Art moviehouse opening up next year and the entire streetscape renovation--Detroit has some good momentum. -Look for some of the homes between Detroit and Battery Park to start being bought up and being renovated. -I really really like how Battery Park will have a street that will directly go into Edgewater Park as well as a much improved pedestrian tunnel (construction should begin in 2009). Also the Shoreway will be turned into a tree-lined boulevard with walking trails/sidewalks alongside it. -I'd feel totally safe in Battery Park. I wouldn't feel too safe at night south of Detroit. -on 65th just north of Detroit, there is a super cool Irish bar that will be opening up in June (well, at least I'm excited about it).

Regarding the new teachers' contract, I am very glad to hear that smaller class sizes and full-day kindergarten at age 4 are part of the deal. Class size, in my opinion, is the single most important factor in the classroom (I'm a former teacher).

I've heard the same and always wondered why they built it to front (at the time) a residential street. You'd think it would front Lorain. Anyways, its a gorgeous building. I loved watching Key Tower going up from my desk in English class back in '89.

^i would be ok with a win in 5. That gives the downtown businesses another home game :)

Hey, great thread. I'm doing an independent study on what cities can do to incentivize green building and this is a nice start. Also, one of my projects at work will be incorporating a green roof on a renovated library. Fun stuff.

That's why I am pretty excited about the Euclid Corridor's effect on downtown Cleveland. The brick sidewalks look fantastic and the landscaped medians look very promising on paper. Also, the DCA has hired ParkWorks to come up with some exceptional plantings for Euclid that will go way beyond what RTA was going to do. I know that's not going to turn Cleveland into a 24-7 kind of place, but its a good step in the right direction. Oh, don't forget about Perk Park..

I'm not environmentally-conscious enough. I do recycle just about everything and have only one car for the family. We're about to build a compost bin as well. But my house is over 3000 sq ft and its pretty expensive to heat. I also use a good amount of fertilizer on my yard. We might build our own house someday. If we do, it will be green as can be.

^yeah, Price has financed all his developments with his lucrative mail order bride business earnings. ;)

I've heard for a while that the A Place for Us group were not the most business savy. I know that the developer (TEG) owns the Painters Union building and the huge corner surface lot. I wouldn't be surprised if TEG goes forward with the project yet with a different theme.

I'm pretty sure that you are talking about One Charter Place. Its a 55-unit condo that's supposed to break ground this summer (depending upon the financing).

Just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and you won't have a problem. I think that Chester is much safer (I drive it everyday) now that there are some cameras that keep people in check. You used to have some serious red light running that caused some serious issues.

I've never heard anyone complain about security at RS. A few years back when I was fresh out of college, I used to work at a coffee shop at RS. I'd show up at 6am and I never remember feeling unsafe. I also know that a lot of single foreign female students live there. Have you looked at any other places in downtown?

Those are gyms. One was built in the late 50s and the other was built in 1992. For being a private school with limited funding, I think that they've done a very good job with their campus.

They are about to launch a large capital campaign. I'm pretty sure that they already have enough money to build the performing arts center (which is badly needed). Architecturally speaking, anything that they build will always give deference to the Main Building. I remember going to the tip top of the tower when I was a student there. If you look near the top of the tower, you'll see some small circular windows. There are these century old wooden ladders that take you up there with "'Joe Smith', class of '10" carved all over the place. The school itself has been around since 1886.

I really don't like it. Can't Calatrava design something that doesn't twist like that?

The Battery Park area is interesting. Its an area that is in the midst of a tremendous transition. Currently, the retail options are pretty poor and Detroit is pretty sad looking. However, a very nice coffee shop just opened. An art movie theater will be opening next summer and other things are on the way as well. I think that the coolest thing is how Batttery Park will be linked directly into Edgewater Park once the Shoreway is turned into a boulevard. I would have bought there but there are units large enough for a growing family.

Ignatius will never do it. It would cost way too much (especially with the property values having risen in the past two decades). Also, Iggy games can attract up to 12,000 spectators and Ignatius would have to provide a lot of parking. While the school has excellent sports teams, the administration wants to invest its resources in academic areas.

They put in a synthetic surface there a few years ago so that they can play football, soccer and lacrosse on it. Only the varsity football team has to play at someone else's stadium.

Of course this is entirely fictional, but my daydreams sometimes take me down this road. If you could, where would you move the following institutions/structures (feel free to add some) Cleveland Clinic Red Line Cleveland Browns Stadium Great Lakes Science Center Rock & Roll HOF The Avenue District Stonebridge Cleveland PlayHouse The Port