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I don't think that Stark thinks that way. He thinks that the only way to 'save' downtown is to change downtown with huge projects.

And if I remember correctly, Stark gave these wild time estimates saying that he could have it finished by 2008.

^have they begun construction? Zocalo sounds really cool. I love the idea of a inner courtyard. Those spaces were super cool at Ingenuity.

There's a black community in Nashville??? I never saw them when I lived there. I also heard some crazy stat about Portland. Something like the African American population is only 10% of the total.

Wish that they would do somthing similar to what they did next to Rockport Square in Lakewood. That old Rite Aid is quite the ugly duckling. Still, it would be great it something were in there.

I really don't understand how you managed to win ;)

CL, here's my Urban Ohio True Cleveland Story: I bought a home in Ohio City last year (and I'd be considered a young professional) for around 230K. Its a renovated 1870 Victorian (3300sq ft). Because of the kid(s) and my wife's love of gardening, we wanted a yard.

Great story!

wow.

So, what is the normal debt figure for most large airports? I know that $1 billion is an awful lot of money, but how does that compare with Pittsburgh, Cincy, Columbus, etc? I'm not expecting a rosy response, but I'd bet its not as bad as the PD makes it out to be.

^I've usually been disappointed with these sorts of events. They are usually long on tedious details that have long since been obvious to us planning nerds on UO. I'd be interested to hear Strnisha speak, but most of the others will probably give us the same old song and dance.

^good thoughts, Jamiec. I don't have any answers, but we need to find answers to those questions. We need our media outlets to pose these questions in a mature and upfront fashion.

he's presenting to a young professionals gathering sometime soon. honestly, Stark seems to be more bark than bite at this point. Is phase I dependent on having the port land available for development someday? If so, I'm a bit skeptical about phase I. Maybe I'm being too negative, but its been a long time since December 2005 when KJP first presented Stark's plans.

^whack, thud, Tarblood! (most interesting cheer that I've heard).

Welcome to UO, Weepin!

The corner wood building is really just a sliver. I don't think it will take away from the urban fabric that much. Is anything else that fronts Lorain going to be torn down?

Its been a while since the presentation. I posted some of the things that I remembered on this thread a while back.

^ It was taken by the local Institute of Cartography. Big shot map snobs... :laugh:

So did they ever consider this: The Seaholm 15-Miles ;)

^I taught at U of D Jesuit for a few years, so I'm familiar with the area. Isn't one of the main streets up there named "Maple"?

They think that the unique local (located next to the water and all the bridges) will provide some great spaces and places. They are very confident about it. After seeing their presentation, I'm sold.

here's my take: 1. Hyatt --the Arcade is awesome and the adjacent East 4th St has come along way in just two years. Bowling anyone? 2. Renaissance --love the connection to Tower City, Rapid, etc. 3. Hilton --uninspiringly located next to a freeway. Boring.

^you're from Detroit, correct? What high school? Here's another favorite: The Dots of Poca High School.

Cool site. http://www.halcyon.com/marcs/mascotlist.html here's the one that I found most interesting.. Coachella Valley Arabs