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^what would you know?! :) My apologies to David.

Mr. Plata needs some help with his article titles. Otherwise, I didn't know that they had already started renovating a building?? Anyone know anything else about this? Place developed for gay persons Thursday, July 06, 2006 By David Plata West Side Sun News The penthouse suites on the fifth floor will have spectacular views of the city and the lakefront. You'll have the lake views and downtown, said Thomas Gillespie, president of TEG Properties and co-developer with A Place for Us Development of a 57-unit, $15 million apartment and condominium project for aging gay, lesbian and transsexual people at West 28th Street and Detroit Avenue. The project at first was envisioned as a $30 million undertaking in the Warehouse District, but was reconfigured as a smaller and less expensive undertaking at the new site. Read More...

Thanks. I figured the C was for Cincy and I couldn't figure out the rest. How about BNA? I lived in Nashville for a while (thank God I'm out of there!) and I never figured that one out.

What does CVG stand for?

RTA is storing them there as we all wait for Trolleyville to build them a permanent home. I remember KJP mentioning this somewhere.

And since large corporate behemoths aren't often familiar with individual neighborhoods, they way they determine they can make money in a particular location is if other people are already making money in that location. I'm pretty sure that they do simple market studies to determine the buying power in the market area. For example, as Ohio City continues to add wealthier residents, I'm sure that some chains will start to take notice and want to locate in the area. It will be hard for landlords to turn down the higher rents that chains often pay. I am not excited about this, but I view it as the natural economic progression of an area.

I disagree about the nurture argument. Chain stores will try and locate in a neighborhood if they feel that they can make $$. As part of the TIF that was done by city council for SYC, a portion of it will go for loans and grants for neighborhood retail.

Good term--'fratification'

Jackson has always been a little strange about the lakefront plan. When he was once asked about it, he responded "well, there is the lakefront plan and then there is the lakefront plan." ?? Vulpster, I agree with you about Burke. Help out the portions that are adjacent to NCH and make inexpensive improvements to any other unused land (but please don't move the Crawford-Auto and Aviation Museum to that abandoned high school hanger!!). Otherwise, we should Burke be Burke for the foreseeable future. Here's why: In the 1990s, we seemed to build a lot of projects that tried to stand alone. Now we've got a Rock Hall and Science Center that are disconnected from the rest of the city, a waterfront line that is dying on the vine and a football stadium on the most under-utilized land in the city. I would like to see us build out from our strengths. God bless him, I hope that Stark is successful in developing the parking lots in the WHD. Then, move towards the lake. We have some very nice areas in our downtown that are connected by some extensively decaying areas. Delay any re-use of Burke until we string together a continuous and positive urban experience that connects the Avenue District, CSU, Playhouse Square, Euclid Ave, E.4th, Public Square, WHD, Flats, Pesht, and North Coast Harbor. Eventually, I'd love to tap into Burke. But let's first go after the spaces in the core of the city.

I remember that they had that "Tower City Phase II--Neiman Marcus" sign up for a few years.

Honestly, i don't really mind that SYC is not going to be new urban. Why? For me, it would feel a bit too contrived if they tried to turn it into a quaint little shopping district, a la Crocker Park. There is no existing urban fabric in place that it would disrupt. The site is unsuitable/cost prohibitive for residential development. It is separated from any neighborhood by highways, steel factories and hill sides. J73, i would add in an argument that this development will provide many jobs that are suitable for many of the residents in the surrounding neighborhoods. This will also add income and real estate taxes to the city coffers that would normally go to the suburbs. Additionally, this project could do more for the real estate values of downtown, Ohio City and Tremont due to the extension of the Towpath.

Don't put words in my mouth. I was pointing out how you oversimplified the evolution of SYC. Your words would have more merit if you paid more attention to the facts and took into consideration any other points of view.

Not to put you on the spot, but the 'planning study' confuses me a bit. What type of planning study is this? Market study? Feasibility study? If it turns out that the building would not be too expensive, would this rich man give money towards its construction?

Dan, How is it 'building something just to build something'? A developer acquired the land and proposed the shopping center. The city tried to block the project by proposing legislation that would effectively keep Walmart out. Walmart pulled out, the city lost the urgency to pass the legislation and SYC was all but forgotten. With the window now open again, the developer secured its building permit and Walmart jumped on. Once the permit was secured, the developer had all legal right to build SYC. You inaccurately portray this project as the unanimous will of all Cleveland's citizenry and elected officials.

Planning study? It would be super cool if the rich guy gave money to build the performing arts center!

Um, I don't think that anyone would accuse you of being "overly optimistic".

Racing to design a new bridge for I-90 Wednesday, July 05, 2006 Steven Litt Plain Dealer Architecture Critic The proposed new Interstate 90 bridge in Cleveland should be a unique masterpiece and an inspiring symbol of the city at the dawn of the 21st century. Sadly, the Ohio Department of Transportation's process of designing the $275 million bridge is coming to resemble the practice of fast-tracking, in which construction starts on parts of a building before blueprints for the rest are finished... To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: [email protected], 216-999-4136

Negativity does have its place on this forum, but legitimacy is lost when one's remarks can only be found in the controversial threads and all the positives that are happening around town are ignored.

Via an article in the PD that I wasn't able to find online...The project has been approved by the feds. It must be finished by mid-2009. Construction must begin by mid 2008.

^really? its safe to go out? I've been holed up inside waiting for those safe winter months.

While I see the validity of your argument, I feel that the most important impact that SYC will have is that it will be a tax boon to the city: thousands of new jobs that will pay city income tax, increased real estate taxes, and a portion of the sales tax that currently goes to the suburbs. While Walmart jobs are not the greatest thing around, they will be filled by Cleveland's large lower class that is in desperate need of employment.

Gordon Square was my first thought as well.

This is what Beale St. in Memphis looked like before the city bought all the vacant buildings. A developer contracted with the city to lease it to him for $1 a year. Then, he starting bringing in the clubs and its now a huge success. Keep in mind that it is surrounded by ghetto on 3 sides. (I'm not suggesting that this will be the next Beale St. :) )

I always thought that the Beck Center was oriented towards children. Is that just part of its offerings?

Blinker12, where are you? Send a private message to Blinker12. He might be able to help you out.