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I went to the meeting last night. It was pure chaos. It was sad. Many people were openly belligerent about the project--especially the West Side Market merchants. People fear density. I hope that some people could go tonight and voice opinions in favor of higher density. Or, at least send emails to OCNW ( [email protected] ) saying that you support this project. I'll explain my thoughts more thoroughly at a later time.

There is money waiting for the University Circle station and the Euclid-120th station. The UC station will depend on the results of the re-design of the UC street grid (MLK, Stearns, Cedar, etc). I believe that the E. 120th station is awaiting Case's Triangle plans. It seems that it will be located in between Euclid and Mayfield. KJP, In which stage is the 28 unit condo project? I saw the site the other day, but i don't know much about it? Who paid for the clean up?

Someone just bought the Euclid Tavern. I don't know who, but I would assume he has plans for the place.

Good points, Mayday. It would look pretty bad to try and match the brick with the Cantina. I like the quote at the end of the article. It sure provides some hope for the future. I wonder where there next ventures will go.

I just got back from the tour. Very beautiful. Its hard to believe that they are dorms. The fraternity row is next. They are going to rearrange the streets a bit (closing some, opening up others). Things are looking up at Case. Also, the Triangle project is currently on the fast track.

In a minor way, I would include Great Lakes Brewery. That place has brought so much suburban money into the city and has really anchored Ohio City's redevelopment over the past 15 years. Also, it is one of the organizations that is truly unique and worthy of respect.

I was looking around the Rsyar website. They listed two projects under the "proposed" category. They are both in Cleveland: 8001 Franklin and Clifton Courts. Does anyone know anything about these two?

There really is a lot of parking lot space behind the market. I wish that the parking could be consolidated in a garage fronting Lorain and housing placed on the existing lots. It would be nice to create a pedestrian space along the produce alley from W. 25th leading into a new housing development. This would give the market square area even greater life. The Ohio City newsletter said that the alternatives would be discussed at a meeting on wednesday night. I haven't heard anything in the PD. I wish I could have gone to the meeting, but I was not able to go.

X, I wonder if council would be able to pass a "phase out" plan. I doubt that Ohio City's rep and Cimperman would go for that. It does make some sense and maybe the neighborhoods will be dense enough in a decade.

They mentioned that there would be a second hearing on Friday. What for? Any word on its outcome?

The NRA's 2007 meeting will take place from April 13 -17 in St. Louis and include five acres of guns I'm packing my bags, St. Louis here I come! :shoot: :drunk: :evil:

Punch, When condo projects start to be sold out before construction starts, then we shouldn't be using abatements.

C-Dawg, You are right. I did put words in your mouth. My response was in regard to another poster's comments. I mixed you two up. My apologies. Average class size is said to be going up to 40 because of the teacher layoffs. While there is declining enrollment, it is not declining that fast to compensate for the lower number of teachers.

C-Dawg, I do not agree with most of your points. However, I appreciate your good faith effort to debate. Too often, opposing viewpoint holders just try to jam the partyline down our throats. Partylines almost never provide a workable solution. First off: teacher salaries -The Cleveland district is not a place where most teachers want to be. You need to pay higher salaries in order to attract talent. If all salaries are equal, teachers will not choose the CPS and Cleveland will be left with the worst teachers. Also, I have a hard time believing that janitors make more than teachers. I would believe and hope that a new teacher would make less than a janitor that has been working there for 35 years. Apples and oranges: I respect your position, but teaching at the college level is much much different than teaching at an inner city school. I taught at an inner city school in Nashville. Most say that Nashville schools are quite good overall. Let me tell you, it was almost impossible to teach in this environment. The problem stems from class size (along with many other factors). There are a good number of students who want to learn. However, there are some that ruin the environment and turn the teacher's role into that of a crowd control officer. Because the levy didn't pass, class sizes will balloon up to 40. This is an impossible situation in which to teach. You are setting the teachers up to fail. The best thing to do is to lower class size. This is mainly why I am for increasing spending for schools. Teachers can do a great job with smaller classes. 25 kids is normal. If class size could be shrunk to 15-18, there will be much better results. Teachers will not only be more effective, but they will be more motivated. Can you imagine how it would feel to be CPS teacher at this moment, you know that you are walking into an impossible situation. If teachers can be positioned to succeed, they become even more motivated to be more innovative, creative and successful. Its a basic principle of self-efficacy: if the teacher can feel that they can be successful, it is much more likely to happen. Solutions, not excuses: In order to come up with a workable solution, you have to understand that situation. By saying that the inner city kids and teachers should just act like they do in the suburbs is to ignore a basic tenent of problem management. C'mon really, how can you even suggest that? To help change a situation, you have to understand where the person comes from. If you refuse to do this and mandate that they act more like the suburban kids, you'll fail. C-Dawg, it sounds like your solution is to tell the kids to act like good kids. That doesn't work. You have to understand where they come from before they will ever listen to you. If you have a class with over 40 students, you can forget about ever having a chance to improve the schools. Would you really set up the schools so that they fail?

Yikes. That leads me to think three different things. Either: 1. They are not selling at all. 2. They threw out the 400,000 price tag to see if any suckers would bite at an inflated price. 3. They have reconfigured some units so that they are smaller. Sionan, I would ask for your opinion, but I wouldn't expect an honest one due to your fiduciary duties.

Punch, I agree. They villified her for that abatement. Clevelanders love to be negative where no negativity is due. Good Lord! I heard Jane Campbell has two minor children and claims them as dependants on her tax return! Off with her head!

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/wide/index.ssf?/sports/wide/qlogo.html here is the logo. its too large to post and i don't have the time to change it.

Cavaliers President Len Komoroski said through a spokesman that the team tested the design - which incorporates Quicken's block red and white logo - with the public and many liked it. Who did they ask? :drunk: :evil: :whip:

Punch, You're out of state, right? The design is in the print edition. It is yellow and red with some black. Its bad. I wonder how other cities have reacted to name changes. Candlestick Park to Tricomm (is that the name?). That was a horrible change.

Looks like the design review board is doing its job. Arena's new logo quickly gets quashed Friday, August 05, 2005 Susan Vinella Plain Dealer Reporter Article Removed

So, has anyone heard of the alternative sites? Why does the PD run a story saying that alternate sites will be announced, and then never announce those sites?

Locutus, Quit putting words in our mouths. You address arguments that I am not making. It is very frustrating to argue with you because you don't address the issues. You conveniently mention a weak argument that no one is making and then supposedly refute it. Its easy to refute poor arguments that you conjure up yourself. No one said that an endless amount of cash should be put in the schools. i will respect your arguments when you stop dissorting what others say. The west side Catholics are the ones who defeated this measure. The West Park area of Cleveland is strongly middle class and generally send their kids to catholics schools. I know, I was one of those kids. I have understood the mindset for a long time.

KJP, I think you're correct. I heard that at the last minute the House nixed the title "Jobs for Christians."

^Of course it is going to cost more to educate students who are more difficult to teach! You are comparing suburban and inner city students? You are comparing apples and oranges. You should spend the amount of money that will get the job done. Suburban schools have an easier job. They have parents who generally are more supportive of education. The whole idea about a good education is that you try to break that cycle. The argument could be made that suburban schools should get less because they do not need as much money to produce a satisfactory result. C-Dawg, you are not educated on this topic. You fail to see the purpose of education. Are you a teacher? Do you know what it takes to provide a good education? The Cleveland schools have a shrinking budget due to lower tax revenue, they needed the levy to provide the same level of services. I also find it ridiculous that you can comment on the motivations of the staff. There are many many motivated teachers who choose to work in Cleveland schools because they want to make a difference. Many young and talented teachers were let go because of the cuts. It is sad because Cleveland has lost a lot of teaching talent. On the flip side, there are teachers who are unmotivated and just waiting for retirement. This is true inner city and suburban environments. Yes, motivation is a problem in that respect, but it is not particular to one part of the city. You claim that money is being wasted. Tell me exactly where the money is being wasted. Are you trying to say that inner city students deserve less money because they don't work as hard? Isn't that the point of education? More does need to be invested in these schools to break the chain. You break that chain now so that the next generation will be more susceptible to an education. That is the whole point. You are missing that point.