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I added pictures near the end of the thread trying to get a sense on the location of phase 2. Also, there has been a lot of discussion on the admittedly very dirty Landmark Office complex. When I was snapping pictures recently I see that some areas near the top of the buildings have a cleaner look. This is in one of the recessed areas facing W. 2nd St. This top band is like an off-white. I don;t know if this is a cleaned area or not, but I bet this entire place would be gorgeous if spiffed up. Uhhh, 2017 World Congress on Art Deco anyone?

Great news. This is going to be a great addition to Market District...cannot wait

That'll definitely do it

Yes I am glad that the Higbee Bldg is getting a much-needed renovation. I know I've previously stated how I'm OK with the skywalk, but the more I look at that picture at the top of this thread the more I like that view the way it is. But I believe that a connection from the parking garage to the actual facility is a 'must' for the developers. And an overhead walkway seems like the only (feasible) option. Who knows? maybe there won;t be a conection. I havent ever heard the name Penn-Illis. Interesting. In the last couple decades, if not longer, there has aways been a restaurant/diner on the ground floor. It was Cleats til just a couple months ago. So the upper floors are empty?

You look like you have some big guns there, or is it just the way your arms are folded? And, no, I am not hitting on you.

Added 4 shots at the top of the thread (taken Saturday afternoon)

When I went over here a few times to take pictures I was amazed at the suburban feel, although there is more density than one would think. It was like Sheffield Lake or subdivisions in parts of some Lake County suburbs. This (Cedar-Central) is one of the oldest neighborhoods and the disrepair that the original structures fell into...and are falling into (for those that remain)...left no other choice than the demolition-and-rebuild choice. For the most part, such a tight, historic, high-density neighborhood needs to be abutting the CBD (or abutting any job area -- like a University Circle area, for example) for any real investment and restoration to occur, and not on the other side of an Interstate system surrounded by public housing. Unfortunately, Cedar-Central was detached physically and mentally from Clevleand in the middle part of last century. RE the suburban style. Unfortunately, this style is thought to be the desired way to live. In addition, this urban renewal (ahem, suburban reimagination) took place in the 80s and 90s when all this stuff (no matter the scale) was de rigeur and land in Cleveland -- specifically here -- is cheap. None of these things lend themselve to high-density. The one place I will cry for is Hough. I realize that the early-19th century homes off of Chester and also some of the homes nearer to Rockefeller Park were always big, classic homes...some with large lots. But I cannot stand the Mentor-, Kirtland-, Concord-style McMansions taking up the empty lots, as everybody knows, between Chester and Hough avenues and even north of Hough Avenue. Again though, much of this occured in the 80s and 90s when Solon, Mentor, and Highland Heights were used as the templates. The only street I can think in Hough that does in-fill right is Linwood Ave. just down from Lexington Ave (League Park area).

Thank you KJP. I was going to put the Casino photos on this thread but posting 30 photos all at once told me a separate thread would be the better way to go.

Ultra? I dont think the space you are thinking of has been called that for a while. It became known as View (or Viewbar) and is no longer in business. PHS doesnt need WHD entertainment. It can and should go down the older, more mature road. CSU is right next door for college-age stuff and potential nightclub stuff (which it actually needs to have more of). How PHS unfolds (apart form the obvious theater/live stage niche) will be up to really one councilperson and some commercial building owners until there are more full-time residents on Euclid Ave and Prospect Ave (on the "Theater District" portion of those streets, i.e. east of E. 9th... to E. 17th).

Yeah very thorough explanation CO. For another point of reference for the phase II location... it is going on the other side of the tall brick wall:

"Gorgeous!! We need more of this in Cleveland." We've got the Calfee coming up soon. A smaller building, but it should have a comparable 'wow' factor. "...for some reason I can almost hear Jack Nicholson yelling..." LOL. Yes especially the Tudor Room. It reminds me of 'The Overlook'. Halloween's coming, ha.

I'm still waiting for Ohio City, part 2...Gary, Indiana, part 2... Nice shots though.

Wouldn't it be nice if this was restored by 2017? Not very probable is my guess. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,26247.0.html

Paying homage to the Hippodrome Theater Top floor of the parking garage on the site of the Hipp, Oct 8... Hipp deck: Pop-up rooftop performance venue & book release party http://www.gcbl.org/events/hipp-deck-pop-rooftop-performance-venue-book-release-party-10-08-2011

Opening day A few more. TT is looking pretty good... Seen from Canal Rd in the Flats May 8 May 5 Fencing came down this morning around the Welcome Ctr and awnings went up on the gift shop It's really durty and dusty over there on Prospect...a street cleaner was there but some good rains should take care of it. Then re-striping of street lanes and crosswalks will most likely take place. I was getting worried about the re-painting/re-striping, but over by the Higbee building and the Q that was also done this morning... This is right near the main entrance on W. Prospect. There are a few of these. I would hope these are either removed or street lamps replaced And...they were, April 29 April 25 April 10, 11 Poles going up, this is part of the Prospect Ave side Ontario St. side has about half of the poles up Some exterior lighting is showing up on the PS side (as seen from Old Stone church) April 7 evening April 3, 4 Video board going up Plastic replaced glass windows today on the Stanley. Tomorrow is some kind of court hearing Nighttime, the exterior lighting is awesome. No longer a moribund zone. Art Deco Silver Grille level of Higbee Bldg ↓ Saturday working on the weekend ↓ Friday On Prospect (at E. 2nd St.) looking west At Prospect & Ontario Ontario St. looking at the long side of the Higbee Bldg Ontario St. at Public Square Around the Square and now back on Prospect (at W. 3rd St.) making my way back towards the Higbee Bldg. This portion of Prospect is technically called W. Prospect The Ritz-Carlton, W. Prospect & W. 3rd St :wave: Tower City Valet on W. Prospect On W. Prospect (at W. 2nd St.) looking east, Higbee Bldg on the left Across the street, and on W. 2nd St Turn to look back down W. Prospect at this nice vista Approaching Ontario St. again with Higbee Bldg on the left Looking out at the construction across the street where I started "Re-pointing" ((I think it's called) of the brick and mortar on the Stanley I don't know the name of this building at E. 2nd St. & High St. but I wish I had a magic wand to remove this 1960s/70s bastardization of the windows and return them to the originals which still exist at the top. If restored, this building is a 6 story version of the Columbia. PHASE 2 proposed location Just to close this circle, here are some pictures to get a sense for phase 2's location: Standing on the level of Tower City Center's surface parking lot with W. Huron Rd and the Landmark office complex, old Ohio Bell building and The "Q" all sitting above This is what's holding up W. Huron Rd. Phase 2 would also be cantilvered hereabouts (so that its entrance would meet Huron Rd at street level) This is the remnants of the ramp that sloped down from W. Huron to this parking lot (I think the ramp was removed before Gilbert's 85 mill purchase) Standing on Tower City's parking lot with Canal Rd. below and the Riverview parking lot beyond that Canal Rd which would bisect the phase 2 Casino and whatever was built at the river's edge (likely continued parking) Now standing on Canal Rd with a remnant of the ramp in the foreground One more level down, standing in the Riverview parking lot looking up At the river's edge. This is where the river-narrowing was proposed for (to "more easily" create extra Casino parking). Not going to happen So that's below W. Huron and down to the Cuyahoga River. What about the relation to the phase I renovation and construction up above this area? This is W. Huron and phase II would be behind the Hard Rock Guitar (I believe this Guitar would have to be placed elsewhere if this phase is built as proposed) Up at the traffic light at Ontario St. I'm standing on the median island andOne can see the Stanley (small building in center). The structure on the right of the photo is the parking garage that Rock Ohio Casesars bought from the city of Cleveland (former Gateway Parking Garage). It will be used to park cars that use the, ahem, Welcome Center. Swinging around here is the beginning of the Landmark Offices Swinging around more...there is the open space above Tower City surface parking that should have a Casino on it sometime in the future Looking down from W. Huron to the Tower City parking lot, where I started. That's it for now

What a classic. Just stunning, interior and exterior.

From the Scene article (http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/bites/Content?category=1520384): "This is set up for sushi dining," notes Boccuzzi. "The challenge will be to have people eat and get out." If this place offers up the best Sushi in town...along with one of the best Sushi dining experiences (atmosphere, etc.)... there may be lines forming here early. I've not heard of reservations for a sushi bar ever, so those 4 tables (2 booths, 2 high tops) is possbly it for reserving a space at what could be the paragon of Sushi on a fairly busy street in foodie Cleveland??? God knows what the weekends will be like.

Yes, this B-Spot has to interact with the street.... I'm going on the premise that the Welcome Center is part of the Casino. So when today's Scene article says "the newest B-Spot, set to open in the Horseshoe Casino Cleveland"... that could very well mean the corner ground level retail space at Prospect & Ontario. On those Planning Commission slides (http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2011/08192011/index.php), that corner retail space is listed at 4,000 square feet. From a Feb 14, 2011 Crain's article Another B Spot restaurant to open at Crocker Park (http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20110214/FREE/110219929#), there is this from the third paragraph: "Michael Symon Restaurants signed the lease with Stark Enterprises for the approximately $700,000 burger joint in the Agave restaurant location — a 4,500-square foot space that is about 1,000 square feet larger than the planned B Spot location in Strongsville that is scheduled to open in mid-March. " Just the right size for a B-Spot.

This sounds like it willl be über cool. Sushi Underground Tremont's eagerly awaited Ginko is almost set to open by Douglas Trattner "Diners who make the short descent into Ginko, the subterranean sushi bar beneath Dante likely will feel like they've entered a foreign land." read the rest at: http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/bites/Content?category=1520384

^Yeah, I can't wait to see it. Ideastream's "Around Noon" Posted Tuesday, September 20, 2011 Dee Perry talks with Mr. Franklin, director of CMA and with Fred and Laura Bidwell about the Transformer Station. http://www.ideastream.org/an/entry/42436

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Congrats 20th Century Society!

Ha! Though it's all a blur before 1820.

Is this done yet?

I'm pretty sure that lafont was talking about the Salvation Army building, which is being renovated by Cleveland Construction Co. ( http://www.clevelandconstruction.com/InteriorDetail.aspx?ProjectID=94) and should look quite nice and be a visual 'plus' when it's all done... or at least more than it previously was. The building fits in with the little cluster around the Agora Theater. It is true that the flat eastern side was painted over with red, but I HOPE they do not intend on doing that to the western side and the front. There is some nice detail in the yellow brick side. Also, at the risk of bringing up the Dunham, it's exterior freshening up is done and now Cleveland's oldest building is good to go for a few (several?) years. She looks as good as she did in 1824. 5005 Euclid Ave: (picture from Cleve Const Co.)