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Dont worry, not offended at all...except maybe dante hall stuff :) I can see where memphis and kc have similar features....we just seem to have a lot more arts and cultural attractions which makes me think denver/mpls.

mts...I wasn't aware of any other strips of shops as I had never been there...we looked at the map of the 4 quads of the square, walked the entire thing...we did see outdoor seating but nobody sitting there...the couple places we tried didn't open until later. (430 one place told us). Again great neighborhood, I see why you are proud of it and want others to see it...I am glad I saw it as I assume most tourists don't.

Just more than kc...we have a pretty solid urban core that stretches from the river to approx. 50th street to the south but I just feel more sprawl here....probably due to differences in size and my lack of knowing much about memphis.

Oh you got the heat of kc right.....it gets pretty hot here and we do get some snow.....kinda why I like it here we definitely get 4 seasons...I personally love the heat but I could see it as a turn off. Lol at dante hall...no way I am coming to see that guy...our next HOF'ers will probably be will shields and tony gonzalez. Bigger cleaner memphis??? Hmmm, only been to memphis once so not a great feel for it but I find kc on a much more cultural side than I found memphis. I think kc and denver are pretty similar...without the mountain backdrop of course...or minneapolis but warmer. Memphis building style is much more east coast style (ala most cases better) than we are. We sprawl more I think.

I couldn't draw any similarities between shaker and country club plaza here. Shaker felt like a great neighborhood area (ala our brookside)...CCP here is much more higher end restaurants and retailers which tourists eat up and is surrounded by high rise condo/apartment towers. Both are great but I don't see them in the same categories.

Probably my bad on this...we pretty much walked all 4 corners of the square, didn't see anything open and decided to jet to Little Italy...mostly so we could see as much as possible...we didn't venture outside of the square...again I think it would be an awesome neighborhood to live in and what I did see of the housing stock was awesome. I see....makes sense then...we had a blast seeing it either way. Wasn't an issue using the system, just something I noticed riding all the lines. We (KC) just want ONE line :)

Haha, true....I wasn't meaning it as a slight to the market at all...I think it's awesome...I can just see Joe and Jan tourist being like "okay....what do we DO here: :)

Hey everybody, got back early this afternoon, finally get a chance to reflect on the weekend, which was more about seeing a player I grew up with than the city itself....but thanks you each of your suggestions, the city was also a great surprise. got there Thursday evening and hustled down to E.4th to Greenhouse Tavern which I was told served food late....and they were...great food at that. Cheap drinks was also a welcome addition. Obviously not too busy for Thursday night late...but we really liked the area. Friday got up later than we wanted but headed over to Westside Market where we were hoping that there would be some food along with the market (like a breakfast place)...while we didn't find that we found the market really cool. Much like our City Market but with much more in the meat and bakery areas...like we have a couple butchers only...nothing like we saw there. while cool for me as an urban dork, not sure the typical tourist would get a lot out of it...but it was perfect for me. I could see the typical tourist just not getting it. Quick spin through the market we headed over to Johnny Mangos for food and margaritas....they were awesome...really could tell they were fresh made. I still have my hometown favorite place that retains #1 margaritas in my book but these were great. Food was awesome too...great recommendation. After that walked around the brewery, found the brewpub and ordered up a sampler of beer....some really good ones on there, really liked the IPA (I love all IPAs I think). After a stop downtown to the hotel room decided to go check out the neighborhoods suggested...Shaker Square was first up....I know there was a question above asking about my comments. In Twitter-ville comments are short, don't take my post on there as a negative. I found that square to be awesome if I wanted a single family home and lived in Cleveland...reminded me of our Brookside neighborhood. Just as a tourist it had little to offer...again I'm an urban dork so I loved seeing it but we couldn't find a place to stop for a drink, etc. in the square...seemed like all the places just opened later...some girls by us ran into the same problem so they were headed to Little Italy....so we decided to follow. Hit the 48 bus (thanks for that recommendation) and got to Little Italy. Awesome neighborhood...for a Friday afternoon it seemed a bit quiet (I figured those patios would be packed with happy hour people, it was a great day). Stopped at one place (don't remember the name), ate something small, had some drinks. Walked to the train stop back to downtown. Great neighborhood, both of them....as a normal tourist I'd say Little Italy offers much more...but me and my interests? I'm glad I saw them both. Then we hit W. 6th for a few more drinks before dinner at Lola. Much more lively area...had a great time at a couple places, one was Velvet Dog with a great roof deck. Head back to the hotel to get ready for a late dinner at Lola. Amazing dinner. Really liked the space and the food. I see why it's one of the top rated in the city. Afterwards stopped at a martini bar for a nightcap. Saturday was all about Canton....we drove down early to get the full experience...before that we drove around some parts of cleveland just to see more...waterfront, etc. Did the Canton thing, took longer than we would hoped, so by the time we got back just went to the hotel bar for drinks and a bite. We asked the waiter if he liked winters in Cleveland to which he said he did...he could tell we weren't thinking it would be fun, so he asked where we were from...when we told him KC, he said "I'd rather have snow than tornadoes"...pretty funny...I'm just glad tornadoes don't hit the entire city like snow does I guess :) Mass transit was great....I was surprised how short the trains were on almost all of the lines...why does the Green line have different cars? (have to climb stairs to board the train itself). Also i found it different the different pament methods...seemed like on some stops, passengers would pay (or validate pass) after on board vs. off-train payment at all stations...just something I noticed. Great time...Cleveland was much more fun this time around than last time I was there...thanks for your recommendations...you show your city off well. If you ever find yourself headed to KC, I'd love to return the favor. [email protected]

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Great recommendations so far...east 4th was good last night...johnny mangos good today. If you are really bored you can follow me on twitter @kc_c I am tweeting the hof experience back to kc tweeps.

Great suggestions so far....e. 4th last night and had some great late night bites at green??? tavern. If you are really bored and on twitter, I am trying to tweet the HOF experience back to kc tweeps @kc_c. Thanks again for all the suggestions, cleveland looks great so far.

Thanks again everybody....last suggestions... - sushi place - place that serves food late (past 11pm) tomorrow night (we are @ the Key Center Marriott) - Italian place - Martini bar - wine bar - best variety of beer bar Thanks again....be welcome to return the favor anytime on kcrag.com

Sorry..should have put that. Get there tomorrow late, leave sunday. I assume saturday will mostly be taken up with canton but might do something in the AM. I more meant 'put in bay' sounded fun because of the name...but is it busy fridays? Could be worth a car rental. If anybody has insight about canton on hof weekend that would be great too....I assumed we would leave cleveland after lunch to go see the hof stuff for a couple hours before the ceremony but honestly I have no idea what goes on for the event or how much time is needed to see stuff involved with the induction...their website is less than helpful.

Put in bay? That sounds FUN :)

Oh hell I foegot to ask...great local beer? Micro bewpubs work as well but I am more into what the local beer everybody drinks is. (ala boulevard here) Ok I think no more questions :)

No doubt. So the #1 thing to see in cleveland (if your #1 is r&r hof, then go with your #2)?

Thanks for all the links and suggestions so far. We obviously will have a car to get to canton but its not arriving till saturday when we leave cleveland for the event so for everything else we will be carless (no reason to change how I live in kc :) ) Any good hispanic inspired restaurants....anything from good divey mexican place pouring good margaritas to spanish/tapas type places?

Long story short, I'm headed to Cleveland to go watch Derrick Thomas put into the Hall of Fame this weekend.....I need things to do. I've been to Cleveland once before about a decade ago so I doubt I do the R&R HOF again....so not sure what we are going to do. I will have a day to kill but unfortunately the Indians aren't in town so I can't check out Progressive Field. Honestly my group pretty much travel to eat and drink at new spots so if you can guide your recommendations that way, that would be great...I will be downtown w/o a car. Love pretty much every type of food, like to see the local favorites of course....booze wise like a variety....wine bar, lounges, etc. Some of you might remember my username...I used to bump around skyscraperpage.com for awhile....still have the passion for downtown/urban issues, just have lost the time to bump around that site. Glad to see this site is still up and running strong. Thanks for your recommendations....sites like this and ours in KC are great resources for getting the real deal on our cities.