LocutusOfBoard

Those names suckass. No offense, but few people care about local farmers who may or may not have settled the area, especially the tourists that Cleveland hopes to attract.

How can any shopping center be the heart and soul of anything (or place)? Because it has a Cheesecake Factory. Also it has pedestrian traffic not seen since the downtowns of yore. When future archeologists sift through the ruins of Ohio, they will note that Easton was the peak of our civilization.

Easton is the heart and soul of Ohio!

That's a really weird setup. Those coming from the North will have to Exit on Fashion Mall Parkway, but to get back, they have to enter from Polaris Parkway.

God damn, stupid Phoenix.

I don't see the word "waste" anywhere in your post. Are you turning soft on us? :-D If they are going to spend money on such a boondoggle, it might as well maximize value. :D I just don't see people from Dublin driving over to Worthington, and then taking a train downtown, because they all have cars and Columbus traffic on 315 and western I-270 and 670 is not problematic (I know because I take this commute every day). Also, OSU is so sprawled out I don't know how much value there is in a light rail from there to downtown. However, the airport gets visitors from out of town who don't have a car, so a lilght rail might makes sense, as they would be more inclined to use such a thing.

I think an East-West rail from the airport to downtown could possibly make sense.

Looks like an extension of I-280.

Akron-Canton airport is booming, although that may be due to Cleveland's airport being so mediocre for a metro of its size. Still Dayton gets about twice as many passengers as Toledo's airport, so things could be worse.

Those people already are paying taxes for schools. Nice distortion of the issue. This is exactly why it didn't pass, because those who wanted it to pass probably used the same old, simple-minded "IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR IT, YOU'RE AGAINST THE CHILDREN YOU EVIL PEOPLE!" type arguments that even the most clueless Democrat nowadays is smart enough to not fall for. When people already are paying a lot of taxes for schools, can you imagine how insulting it is for them, when people like you start accusing them of being selfish for not supporting even more unjustified increases? The real question here is how much money do you have in your pocket? How much money do you have in your bank account? Before you accuse other people of being greedy by not supporting your favorite cause, you should go and donate all of your money to that same cause. Otherwise you are nothing but a hypocrite.

You have made true, exactly what I said. You think people are stupid, especially people who might espouse some conservative principles, and you believe that the only opinion on this issue that should count is your own. What proof do you have that spending more money on education produces proportionatly better results? As smart as you seem to think you are, you obviously have no idea of the concept of diminishing marginal returns. Also, where do you think money comes from? From your post, you make it seem as if we should be spending an infinite amount of money per student. You make it seem as if we should just take all of the economic output of society, (i.e. tax everyone 100% of their own income) and spend all that money on education, because the school teachers think that you can never have enough spending on education. Reality check: Cleveland is a poor city. Cleveland is losing population. Cleveland is an aging city with fewer and fewer students each year. Cleveland is an overtaxed city that hardworking people continue to escape in droves, because the tax burden is unbearable. To jack up the taxes on people so that tens or hundreds of thousands of more Clevelanders leave the city in the next ten years, and spend all that money on education which will produce marginal or no benefits is of no good to the city. And that's why people in Cleveland voted against it. They voted against know-it-all liberals like you trying to pull the wool over their eyes.

I think ODOT is doing a pretty good job overall developing parrellel road networks throughout the state, instead of just adding lanes to a few major highways which is the strategy of choice in the sunbelt. This way there's more connectivity, and fewer comically wide 14 lane roads.

In a city with a declining population like Cleveland, what possible justification could there to be to jack up spending on education? I love the attitude these liberals have. They're so convinced they're right, they'll take any means necessary to force their agenda. And if people don't go along with it, well then obviously they were just "confused". This sort of shenanigans ain't no different in Toledo.

I'm not sure if there's much need for this. The Toledo-Columbus traffic does not go through this portion of U.S. 23. Also, right nearby is I-75 in Findlay.

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That makes no sense. If they are receiving more money, they should have less congestion not more. And if they are receiving 100 times more money than Ohio, as he claims, which works out to be 25-30 times more than Ohio per capita, then they should have considerably faster traffic flow, but they do not. A completely absurd point, since the populated parts of California do not have freeze thaw cycles. Like I said before, name one Northern state that has better quality roads than Ohio does. Ohio is not the only low-growth state. NY, PA, MI, etc. are slow growing states which have much, much, much crappier roads than Ohio, both physically and in terms of traffic flow on expressways. I'm not one who usually sticks up for government, especially state government. But ODOT does a commendable job, that even I can't deny. Perhaps I'm better able to see this because I've had the wheel alignment on my car repeatedly screwed up in Ithaca, NY, been stuck in the traffic jams of PA expressways numerous times, and driven on many 3rd world quality roads in the state of Michigan. But I've been around the state of Ohio, and in comparision it's a drivers paradise.

If we were to judge Wayne Gretzky, would we judge him for his American football skills? Surely not. You may be disgruntled about tthe state of light rail in Ohio, but you are letting your politics cloud your judgement. ODOT is mainly a road agency, and that is the criteria by which they should be judged. If you're upset about no light rail in Cincinnati, blame the voters or the local transit authority, not ODOT.

Now I know you're on crack. You think California has less traffic than Ohio? That is just absurd. California's roads are notorious for being congested. Case closed, if that's the best example you can think of. If CA is getting 100 times the money Ohio is (but surely is not 100 times the size of Ohio in population, land area, or number of cars on the roads), then doesn't that add to the argument that ODOT is doing a better job than other state DOT's, with fewer resources?

Why don't you name some biggish states and cities then that have a smoother flow of traffic than the state of Oho and its cities? Also names some states in the Northern U.S. that have better quality roads than Ohio.

Exactly. 4th highest volume, but it's nowhere near 4th highest in traffic problems. Trust me, you need to travel a bit more around the country. Most places have traffic moving much slower than our state.

I think the state DOT is one of the best. There's very little traffic problem on Ohio roads, compared to other states of similiar size and containing cities of similar size. Their road building standards make sense (no goofy stuff like Michigan's U-turns). Overall I'm quite satisfied with ODOT.

They did this in Toledo with frogs, around the same time. It wasn't something that I was crazy about.

Denver's airport is 52 square miles. 1/3 of the city of Denver is the airport! Cleveland's is less than 4 square miles. And even O'Hare in Chicago is only about 10. Atlanta's is smaller than Chicago's.

Houston is positioned well to cater to Latin America, but Latin America is just not that important from an air travel point of view, compared to Europe and East Asia, which Houston is poorly located to cater to. Latin America is quite frankly, not where it's at, and probably will not be where it's at for quite some time, economically speaking. That's why I think Cleveland has a good shot to pick up some more international flights. Like Cincinatti, it can be a good hub airport for Continental to bring its international flights to. The local demand is probably not sufficient, but it's status as a hub airport can help it get more flights to Europe and Asia, which Continental is a laggard in.

A big plane with lots of fuel needs a big runway, that's what I said. Flights to California and Europe might get by on 8,000 foot runways, but you need more for flights to Eastern Europe or to Asia or South America. Detroit has a 12,000 foot runway, and I think Cleveland should aim for that as a bare minimum. High altitudes and hot temperatures force the need for even longer runways. Denver has an unfortunate combination of both (it gets very hot there in the summer).